Can someone point me to a rigorous proof as to why homosexuality is wrong?

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But how does your situation justify homosexual behavior? Which unlike your situation is a choice. Are you saying that those that claim to be homosexual are a mistake?
Regardless of whatever is determined as the ‘opposite’ sex of me, I still suffer from SSA, because I am bisexual. Every scientific mind I’ve talked to isn’t surprised I have bisexual thoughts because of my situation.

Needless to say it isn’t a stretch of the imagination to ‘understand’ what it it is like.
 
But how does your situation justify homosexual behavior? Which unlike your situation is a choice. Are you saying that those that claim to be homosexual are a mistake?

IMH, may I suggest, that you don’t allow yourself to be used as a pawn for other’s misguided choices and agenda.
You’ve made a very good point, Bennie. “Homo-sex” is an action between two members of the same gender who are %100 biologically male or female and fully aware of their gender. The intent of the action is toward a member of the same sex.

The actions of inter-sexed people and people with gender identity issues are usually committed with a hetero-sexual intent. In other words, due to their condition, the intent of the action is always towards a member of the opposite sex, because they either are or believe that they are opposite from the person their action is intended toward.

Someone who is in gender limbo, certainly would be very confused. This is usually the case.
 
Regardless of whatever is determined as the ‘opposite’ sex of me, I still suffer from SSA, because I am bisexual. Every scientific mind I’ve talked to isn’t surprised I have bisexual thoughts because of my situation.

Needless to say it isn’t a stretch of the imagination to ‘understand’ what it it is like.
I have to disagree it does take a streach, in your situation, much confusion is created by something you had no control of, unlike those that claim to be “gay” as they refuse to acknowledge their choices and refuse to act as they were intended to act by what they were given by birth. Everyone, except in rare cases such as yours, are born male or female and sometime in ther life they decide to follow impulses that go against thier physiological nature and then make a false claims that they were born that why without any scientific evidence to prove it. Then in order to justify their wrong choices they attempt to enlist others, for example persons such as youself, to justify those choices. May I emphasize the word use, because that is what the 'gay" agenda is all about, using others just to satisfy their sexual lust, despite how much it may hurt them, the people they use, the people that truly love them, or society as a whole. They are unable to prove scientifically their claims they are born that way, so they must use lies, verbal abuse, legislation, the courts, and even violence to justify their twisted logic. They reject scientific data that shows the lifstyle is harmful as all sexual promiscuity outside of marriage is. Their main goal is not simple tolerance, but have the ability to enlarge their potential pool of sexual partners by any means available. Homosexual sex is broken down basically to the level of the penatrator and the pentrated - the preditor and the prey. That is why it is so important for ‘gay’ advocates to access to the school system is to teach children ‘tolerance’ and homosexual sex is ‘normal’ and ‘natural’ - to shape young minds while they are the most vulernable and confused by their sexual feelings. It is not about equal rights but imposing an unaccepted immorality upon the majority.

Don’t let false empathy from the “gay” agenda fool you that they understand you, for they have a choice.
 
You are dang straight here, yes I “HATE” the sin. Do I hate the sinner? No, not all.
That’s what I was talking about.

Edit: Clarification. There’s alot of hatred going around. Hatred of the sin, that is. And, for some, as evidenced by 32% of respondees in this thread are willing to go so far as to make it a *criminal act *to keep that sin ‘in check.’

But put yourself in the shoes of a gay person for a moment. Take my good friend Laura (name changed). She’s been in a relationship with this woman (who is also my good friend) for a good number of years now. They love eachother very much, and they mean the world to eachother. And, yet, you hate their relationship. It’s a huge part of thier life. Who does Laura come home to every night? Her partner. Who does she talk to when she needs someone to comfort her or make her laugh? Her partner. Who does she love more than anything else in the world? Her partner. And you hate that.

That’s what appalls me.

It’s not a political or arguementative card. It’s an observation, and a good one.
 
Don’t let false empathy from the “gay” agenda fool you that they understand you, for they have a choice.
I disagree with you, and the level of vitriol you have towards my friends is so high I do not wish to discuss things with you further.

I would like to agree to disagree as they call it, nothing I have to say to you would be productive and yes, I’ve read that book you keep suggesting to people.
 
Intersexed. Genetically, physiologically and physically speaking I am neither male nor female.
wow, you know technically you might be the next evolution of mankind? As our society grows more and more advanced a genderless species becomes very appropriate. I have no idea if it will actually happen, and if you think about it you kinda like an x gene mutant, which is totally cool.

I really have to check this out can you please tell me what exactly SSA stands for?
 
Not at all. Using animals as an example is not a justification.

Nature and natural law are different.

First off, the way a male and female are made show us the correct way to reproduce. We are born male or female.
HAHAHAH i saw a really funny example for this on the daily show. Someone political was using the example of pipping so jhon stewert gets a I shaped male pipe and a T shaped female pipe, and he does the instering thing then he goes ewll thats OBVIOUSLY a good example turns the T pipe to the otherside (the anus) and gasps in horror (sarcastically) as it fits in that way as well.

Also the male “G spot” is better reached from the anus. Not that i personally find anal appealing, I’m jsut saying for those that do.
I’m not gay. Not that theres anything wrong with that
 
wow, you know technically you might be the next evolution of mankind? As our society grows more and more advanced a genderless species becomes very appropriate. I have no idea if it will actually happen, and if you think about it you kinda like an x gene mutant, which is totally cool.

I really have to check this out can you please tell me what exactly SSA stands for?
Pretty much all of us are sterile, as in 99%+. We don’t pass our genes on.

SSA means Same Sex Attraction.
 
refuse to acknowledge their choices and refuse to act as they were intended to act by what they were given by birth.
Yea something like a mind that made them randy over the same sex. I mean they were born with their mind weren’t they?
I have to ask you Bennie P. You dont find people of the same sex attractive do you? You dont lust over same sex intercourse do you? Lets assume your a man. And you like woman, you feel storngly sexually incliend towards women. Now think of the way you feel sexyally about men, nothing thier? Now keep the same gender you have but reverse your attractions, Now what? Stay celebate for the rest of thier lives?

I think that its rather unjust that you can engage in intimate acts with the sex that you find attractive and appealing but someone else cannot.
 
Pretty much all of us are sterile, as in 99%+. We don’t pass our genes on.

SSA means Same Sex Attraction.
Ahhhh thats a pity it would have been totally cool if you did pass on your genetic imprint.

Hmmm thats not getting anything on database searches. You said you were physically, genetically and psychologically neither male or female. I’m interested to know in particular what that is called beside a single celled organism and aphids to… =.=
 
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Having used IV drugs and less than 25 years of age … 16%3 (of the homosexual community) … 1.5% (of the general community) … 11 times the prevalence
Engaged in prostitution … 24% (of the homosexual community) … 0.66% … (of the general community) … 36 times the prevalence
For transvestites, the figure is 45% engaged in prostitution
Having a lifetime STDs prevalence … 70% (of the homosexual community) … 4% (of the general community) … 18 times the prevalence
Percentage alcoholism … 27% (of the homosexual community) … 11% (of the general community) … 2.5 times the prevalence
Median number of partners … 38 per year
Having a brief or no knowledge of partners … 90%
Involved in whipping, sadism or masochism … 21% (of the homosexual community) Sadism and ‘anti-violence’ (1997 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, page 99) are somewhat incongruous.
Of those with HIV, having anogenital warts … 92%
Of those not having HIV and having anogenital warts … 76%
Acquired multiple wart virus subtypes, within 17 months … 75% (of the homosexual community)
Having anal pre-cancer … 18.0% (of the homosexual community) … 0.03% (of the general community) … 650 times the prevalence
Having HIV ( < 25 years 10%, > 25 years 24% ) … 21.8% (of the homosexual community)
Average age of death from AIDS … 35.7 years
Expected average life span … 45 years (of the homosexual community) … 70 years (of the general community)

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Thank you for the statistics BernieP. Could you tell me the reference, so I can use it?
 
That’s what I was talking about.

Edit: Clarification. There’s alot of hatred going around. Hatred of the sin, that is. And, for some, as evidenced by 32% of respondees in this thread are willing to go so far as to make it a *criminal act *to keep that sin ‘in check.’

But put yourself in the shoes of a gay person for a moment. Take my good friend Laura (name changed). She’s been in a relationship with this woman (who is also my good friend) for a good number of years now. They love eachother very much, and they mean the world to eachother. And, yet, you hate their relationship. It’s a huge part of thier life. Who does Laura come home to every night? Her partner. Who does she talk to when she needs someone to comfort her or make her laugh? Her partner. Who does she love more than anything else in the world? Her partner. And you hate that.

That’s what appalls me.

It’s not a political or arguementative card. It’s an observation, and a good one.
Which 'gay" person shoes would you like me to put on? the one that attempted to molest me when I was 11? the two ‘gay’ men that attempted molest me when I was 15? Ernest Rhom? the one who was a friend of my wife that died of aides in 1990?, another that was friend of both my wife and I that died of aides in 1992? the one from my parish who died of aides in 97? Or the one that wants to come to my children’s school and teach that homosexual behavior is normal?

I’ve have made a lot of observations too, I have seen a lot of people crash and burn in the “gay” world. I have always had an open mind, open hand and open heart to others that may be different then me. The statistics back up what I have personally seen. Homosexuality kills, maimes and injures the majority of those that embrace the “lifestyle.” It is part of the ‘culture’ of death. It is not out of hatred I speak out against it, it is out of grief for those that died and are dying and out of fear for the children that will accept the lies that is “ok”. You need a different difinition for love.
 
Yea something like a mind that made them randy over the same sex. I mean they were born with their mind weren’t they?
I have to ask you Bennie P. You dont find people of the same sex attractive do you? You dont lust over same sex intercourse do you? Lets assume your a man. And you like woman, you feel storngly sexually incliend towards women. Now think of the way you feel sexyally about men, nothing thier? Now keep the same gender you have but reverse your attractions, Now what? Stay celebate for the rest of thier lives?

I think that its rather unjust that you can engage in intimate acts with the sex that you find attractive and appealing but someone else cannot.
Your mind develops with experience and use. The more you do a wrong action the easier it becomes to do it the next time. The more you concentrate on one fantasy that fantasy becomes ones own reality.
 
Ahhhh thats a pity it would have been totally cool if you did pass on your genetic imprint.

Hmmm thats not getting anything on database searches. You said you were physically, genetically and psychologically neither male or female. I’m interested to know in particular what that is called beside a single celled organism and aphids to… =.=
This person Pathia has expressed to us pain over a condition that is a terrible cross to bear and all you can say is it would be “cool” if he or she could pass on the gene?

What is wrong with you?

Is this what passes as charity?
 
Some of us are born without a complete ‘bolt’ or a ‘nut’. The church forbid me from marrying as a result, thus I’ve drifted away because of this issue.
pathia, don’t you believe that God is omnipotent? Don’t you think He could have createdc you with full nuts and bolts if He so desired? He chose not to, for whatever reason. Instead of being thankful to Him for creating you as He did, you seem to be upset about it. This is the root of the problem. It is between you, and your Maker.
The church says that ‘to be safe’ since either dating men or women might be homosexual for me and there’s no way to be sure, that I should just be utterly celibate and refrain from meaningful relationships with anyone.
Your statement here reflects a grave thinking error, and one that is grounded in carnality (fleshly thinking). The Church follows Jesus’ teaching that such persons are called to celibacy. If you refuse to embrace this calling, then you are rejecting God’s purpose for your life. Perhaps He knew you would miss the spiritual call, so He gave it to you physically. Who knows? In any case, to say that the “church” wants you to refrain from meaningful relationships with anyone is a grave misunderstanding. This would be the same as saying the Jesus, because He was celibate, had no meaningful relationships with anyone. Is that what you believe?! :eek:
I was basically told to ostracize myself and leave my fiance of 5years. They denied me my love. Things are never so absolute, so I have a tremendous amount of understanding and sympathy for homosexual individuals
A person cannot “ostracize” oneself. You can conduct yourself in chastity. It would help if you read the portion of the catechism on chastity, so you can understand what this means, and then I recommend the theology of the body. The Church does not “deny love”. Instead, She urges all to seek the higher forms of Divine Love exemplified by Jesus, which sometimes includes the denial of fleshly desires. These same teachings apply to married, single, and celibate people. It sounds to me like you are feeling sorry for yourself because you are being told not to chase after fleshly love.
 
It sounds to me like you are feeling sorry for yourself because you are being told not to chase after fleshly love.
I am not ‘chasing’ love. I have found it and been in that state for years. I have been dating and engaged to a amazingly patient man for three almost four years now. He has never pushed for ‘carnality’ of any sort that you speak of, he is willing to wait until my issues with the church are resolved.

You seem to presume to know entirely more about my situation than you possibly could.
 
Which 'gay" person shoes would you like me to put on? the one that attempted to molest me when I was 11? the two ‘gay’ men that attempted molest me when I was 15? Ernest Rhom? the one who was a friend of my wife that died of aides in 1990?, another that was friend of both my wife and I that died of aides in 1992? the one from my parish who died of aides in 97? Or the one that wants to come to my children’s school and teach that homosexual behavior is normal?

I’ve have made a lot of observations too, I have seen a lot of people crash and burn in the “gay” world. I have always had an open mind, open hand and open heart to others that may be different then me. The statistics back up what I have personally seen. Homosexuality kills, maimes and injures the majority of those that embrace the “lifestyle.” It is part of the ‘culture’ of death. It is not out of hatred I speak out against it, it is out of grief for those that died and are dying and out of fear for the children that will accept the lies that is “ok”. You need a different difinition for love.
Correct. Gay behavior is a health risk.
 
Proving a negative is difficult/impossible and you know it.
In the research class I took, a guaranteed question for the final presentation was “What did you proof?” The correct answer was “absolutely nothing.” The initial question asks for proof for which we can only provide evidence.
On the other hand, a hypothesis can be disproved. It was commonly accepted that Blacks (Negoes being the correct term of the time) were inferior to Whites (Caucasians). Fredrick Douglas disproved the idea that Blacks were somehow less intelligent than Whites in his book, Up from Slavery.

I do not remember anywhere on this thread, statements to the effect that those with a homosexual tendency were somehow less prone to sin than anybody else. The sin lies in the action, an action that can be controlled through self discipline. Anything that lessens the dignity and equality of male and female and relegates relationships to mere carnal desire degrades humanity as a whole.
There are men who are very patient. This is a virtue to be admired. Relationships that last a life time are to be cherished. That relationship need not include sexual relation. Refraining from congugal relationship could in the end actually strenghten a bond that respects the dignity and uniqueness of each individual.

I like the quote from the movie in which Robin Williams runs for president. “Do you support same sex marriage?” “After a while it’s all the same.”
 
Fredrick Douglas disproved the idea that Blacks were somehow less intelligent than Whites in his book, Up from Slavery…Anything that lessens the dignity and equality of male and female and relegates relationships to mere carnal desire degrades humanity as a whole.
Are you asking that I disprove the idea that gay people degrade humanity as a whole, along the same lines as Fredrick Douglas disproved the idea being black means you’re less intelligent?

You’re right about one thing, they’re very similiar ideas.
There are men who are very patient. This is a virtue to be admired. Relationships that last a life time are to be cherished. That relationship need not include sexual relation. Refraining from congugal relationship could in the end actually strenghten a bond that respects the dignity and uniqueness of each individual.
There is far more to romance than just the sex. Gay people, if they want to live by the Catholic understanding of homosexuality, aren’t allowed to go on dates, kiss, hold hands, cuddle, go through the struggle of breaking up, go through the process of marriage, raise a family (adopted), and - yes - have sexual contact.

But it’s far more than just sex that the Catholic church has said is wrong.
 
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