Can We Get Catholics to Sing?

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As far as I am aware neither St Catherine or St Teresa were Prot converts to the Catholic faith wanting to bring Prot culture with them.

If you prefer going to a Prot church and singing their heretical hymns…more power to ya…I guess your not really Catholic. A LOT of those Prot hymns, even those now sung at Catholic Masses express a theology that is totaly incompatible with Catholic theology and dogma…but if you want to go sing it…bully for you! 😃
Keep in mind that it was not Protestants who marched into the Roman circuses to their martyrdom singing hymns together. Those were Catholics.
 
Are these some of the heretical protestant hymns?:

Lo He comes with clouds descending
In the Bleak midwinter
O little town of Bethlehem
Once in Royal David’s City
What Child is this?
Faithful Vigil ended
My song is love unknown
When I survey the wondorous Cross
Sing we of the Blessed Mother
Who are these like stars appearing?
The day thou gavest
Alleluia Sing to Jesus
Deck thyself my soul with gladness
Lord Jesus think on me
Lord enthroned in heavenly splendour
O thou who at the Eucharist did pray
Abide with me
All people that on earth do dwell
Angel voices ever singing
Come ye faithful raise the anthem
How sweet the name of Jesus sounds
I heard the voice of Jesus say
King of Glory, King of Peace
Christ Triumphant ever reigning
Tell Out My Soul

All written by protestants, but included in Catholic hymnals. The tragedy is that these beautiful hymns are still sung in protestant churches wheras most catholic churches have set them aside for modern liturgical vacuous hymns many written by Catholics.
Beautiful list . Thank you. I would hate to see these no longer allowed at Mass.
 
Always cracks me up when someone (the OP0 who has been Catholic all of about 10 min. wants to come in and change the church.
That’s not nice. :mad:

By the way, when the “OP” started this thread she had just started exploring Catholicism-- for not quite two months.

And she still feels the same even though she loves Gregorian chant!
 
Keep in mind that it was not Protestants who marched into the Roman circuses to their martyrdom singing hymns together. Those were Catholics.
I don’t believe they were at Mass though. 😃
 
Always cracks me up when someone (the OP0 who has been Catholic all of about 10 min. wants to come in and change the church.

Why hymns? To be more like to Prots? 🤷

Why not just accept the Catholic church for what it is…that includes Catholic culture, of which hymns are NOT a big part.
I don’t really think this is fair to say of TrueLight. Nothing in her posts say to me that she is trying to change the Church. From other posts, I believe she also loves chant and a traditional mass.

It is true in many parts of the Catholic Church, hymns aren’t a big part of the Catholic culture. It is also true that historically-speaking, hymnody was not that “popular” for years and years in the Catholic Church. That said, today it does play a large part in certain areas. I think we do have to be cognizant of NOT basing the entire Catholic culture in just the area where we live or just in our social circle, which I’ve seen a lot.

In the U.S. it can seem like no one ever sings, but even then you have to attend mass at multiple parishes, especially in areas where it is heavily Catholic (like where I live) to see the difference in “culture” with regards to music. Where I live, you can attend one parish where the congregation sings with gusto and then right down the road or across the street at the next parish, another congregation which doesn’t sing at all. The same can be true of just one parish where it depends on the mass you attend. I also find the ethnic parishes do tend to sing more. Then you can also see a difference with parishes which will sing the more traditional hymns and absolutely won’t sing the modern, contemporary religious songs, P&W, etc. And at another parish, you see congregations which won’t touch a traditional hymn or will stylize it to make it sound more modern and to their tastes.

If you attend mass in various countries, you’ll also see a difference, sometimes from parish to parish or from region to region. Whenever I’m in a different country I try to attend many parishes to see how they celebrate the mass and to experience their music programs and have found it varied. How they worship is also part of their particular culture which I’m always interested in learning about. For instance, when I studied music in Salzburg, I found that although they loved their Mozart and Haydn masses and other sacred motets done during mass in which was left to the choirs, the congregations would sing the roofs off of the churches with their Processional and Recessional hymns… always older, strong, traditional German hymns.
 
I have an awful voice, or so I’ve been told, so I only sing if I like the hymn or it’s one of the required responses. I also try and sit up front so as few people can hear me as possible.
 
Always cracks me up when someone (the OP0 who has been Catholic all of about 10 min. wants to come in and change the church.

Why hymns? To be more like to Prots? 🤷

Why not just accept the Catholic church for what it is…that includes Catholic culture, of which hymns are NOT a big part.
I did not mention the word “hymns” to be likened to a Catholic protesting against traditionalism.

I love the Catholic Church. I embrace the culture of the Catholic faith. I’m a cradle Catholic. However, I don’t go to Mass just because my parents “made” me go each Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation. I digress.

I would like to point out with all sincerity that the music of a parish is dictated by the people in charge of the music. These are the individuals who know how to sing, can sing very nicely, know how to play the piano, etc. That is why choirs exist in Churches. True, if there were no singing, it would be quiet. Solemn.

That is my two cents.
 
I don’t really think this is fair to say of TrueLight. Nothing in her posts say to me that she is trying to change the Church. From other posts, I believe she also loves chant and a traditional mass.

It is true in many parts of the Catholic Church, hymns aren’t a big part of the Catholic culture. It is also true that historically-speaking, hymnody was not that “popular” for years and years in the Catholic Church. That said, today it does play a large part in certain areas. I think we do have to be cognizant of NOT basing the entire Catholic culture in just the area where we live or just in our social circle, which I’ve seen a lot.

In the U.S. it can seem like no one ever sings, but even then you have to attend mass at multiple parishes, especially in areas where it is heavily Catholic (like where I live) to see the difference in “culture” with regards to music. Where I live, you can attend one parish where the congregation sings with gusto and then right down the road or across the street at the next parish, another congregation which doesn’t sing at all. The same can be true of just one parish where it depends on the mass you attend. I also find the ethnic parishes do tend to sing more. Then you can also see a difference with parishes which will sing the more traditional hymns and absolutely won’t sing the modern, contemporary religious songs, P&W, etc. And at another parish, you see congregations which won’t touch a traditional hymn or will stylize it to make it sound more modern and to their tastes.

If you attend mass in various countries, you’ll also see a difference, sometimes from parish to parish or from region to region. Whenever I’m in a different country I try to attend many parishes to see how they celebrate the mass and to experience their music programs and have found it varied. How they worship is also part of their particular culture which I’m always interested in learning about. For instance, when I studied music in Salzburg, I found that although they loved their Mozart and Haydn masses and other sacred motets done during mass in which was left to the choirs, the congregations would sing the roofs off of the churches with their Processional and Recessional hymns… always older, strong, traditional German hymns.
Very well put!

It does depend on the culture.

There is an FSSP parish I attend where the congregation sings the Kyrie, Santus, Agnus Dei, Asperges, Gloria (alternative verses with the choir - forgot what that’s call).

The FSSP is obviously traditional. The congregation also sings the recessional hymn, which is usually a traditional hymn, like Salve Regina as well (2 verses).

So there’s hope.
 
I’m sure that someone will go to Rome with a doubt (dubium) on this and Rome will clarify at some future date, but at this time the new GIRM is being interpreted as saying that chants must be used and the only reference ever to a hymn is the post-Communion reflection. I’m not sure I interpret it that way but that’s what is being promulgated on a lot of sites devoted to Liturgy. See what you think.
I spoke with the Music Director at our parish, who is a knowledgeable man and a devout Catholic. He is totally in submission to the Church and worked at the Cathedral under the direct authority of our bishop.

He said that hymns are still very much allowed in the Mass, according to the GIRM.

As I said before, our pastor and our bishop are very much on top of the liturgy and do not allow abuses or “liberalism” in the Masses in our diocese. I trust these men to follow the GIRM to the letter and promulgate the “correct” liturgy for the Catholic Mass. If I have made a “bad” decision to trust my bishop and priests, then I trust that the Lord will see that my heart is pure and that He will not hold me accountable for any sin or trespass.

I think we (laypeople) need to be very careful about interpreting the various church documents on our own, even with the help of online friends.

There’s a reason that we have bishops, priests, and lay ministers appointed by the clergy. It is not a good tihng If laypeople are constantly questioning and doubting their God-appointed leaders.

“Protestantism” in the Catholic Church is not certain hymns or musical styles; rather, “Protestantism” is a choice made by individuals to interpret our faith on our own and to appoint our own leaders (which might be ourselves) rather than yielding to the authority of those that Christ Himself appointed, and trusting them to do their jobs in interpreting the Church teachings and norms. It seems to me that this kind of “Protestantism” is much more dangerous than singing “Amazing Grace” or hearing a guitar once in a while in the Mass.

BTW, I also spoke with our Music Director about the inadequacy of the singing abilities of the people in our parish when it comes to chant, and he pretty much agrees with me. When there has been inadequate music education in the schools for several decades, and when the popular music culture has become more “spectator” than “participant”, then chant is not easy compared to familiar hymns, especially the older hymns.

We can and will persevere and do our best to try to work with the congregation, but to expect them to pick up chants easily and to cotton to chant in the entire Mass is expecting too much at this point.

We have to work in reality, and the reality is, our people cannot sing because they have not been taught, so much of the chant will not sound lovely at all. They do not read music because they have not been taught, so putting out music sheets in the pews is largely useless. They do not have the ability to easily learn a chant by ear because their ears have been badly trained by listening to much popular music with “muddy melodies,” unless they are led by an excellent cantor or choir, but many of the cantors and people in the choir are also poorly-educated and trained in music, and are not necessarily strong enough to teach others something that they can barely sing themselves.

As for those of us who are the instrumentalists, we can do our best to feed the people the melody of the chant, but this is not what chant is–a melody accompanied by an instrument. It will be frustrating to purists who believe that chant is chant, and that a piano has no place accompanying anyone in the Mass. But how else are the people to learn? Baby steps. Precept upon precept. We will not sound like Rome in one day, or even in one year.

So in conclusion, stark reality is that many people enjoy listening to good musicians singing chant or other forms of ancient music (and I question this–I believe that many people do NOT enjoy listening to good musicians singing ancient forms of music), but even though they enjoy listening to pros sing it, they are not able to sing it themselves with any degree of comfort or proficiency, mainly due to extremely poor music education in the schools and in our homes and churches. IMO, if the Church wants people to learn and sing chant in the Mass, they must step up and try to make up for a culture that has allowed us to get to a state of musical ignorance. To expect the public schools and even the private schools to change is expecting too much. We have to do it ourselves.
 
I spoke with the Music Director at our parish, who is a knowledgeable man and a devout Catholic. He is totally in submission to the Church and worked at the Cathedral under the direct authority of our bishop.

He said that hymns are still very much allowed in the Mass, according to the GIRM.

As I said before, our pastor and our bishop are very much on top of the liturgy and do not allow abuses or “liberalism” in the Masses in our diocese. I trust these men to follow the GIRM to the letter and promulgate the “correct” liturgy for the Catholic Mass. If I have made a “bad” decision to trust my bishop and priests, then I trust that the Lord will see that my heart is pure and that He will not hold me accountable for any sin or trespass.

I think we (laypeople) need to be very careful about interpreting the various church documents on our own, even with the help of online friends.

There’s a reason that we have bishops, priests, and lay ministers appointed by the clergy. It is not a good tihng If laypeople are constantly questioning and doubting their God-appointed leaders.

“Protestantism” in the Catholic Church is not certain hymns or musical styles; rather, “Protestantism” is a choice made by individuals to interpret our faith on our own and to appoint our own leaders (which might be ourselves) rather than yielding to the authority of those that Christ Himself appointed, and trusting them to do their jobs in interpreting the Church teachings and norms. It seems to me that this kind of “Protestantism” is much more dangerous than singing “Amazing Grace” or hearing a guitar once in a while in the Mass.

BTW, I also spoke with our Music Director about the inadequacy of the singing abilities of the people in our parish when it comes to chant, and he pretty much agrees with me. When there has been inadequate music education in the schools for several decades, and when the popular music culture has become more “spectator” than “participant”, then chant is not easy compared to familiar hymns, especially the older hymns.

We can and will persevere and do our best to try to work with the congregation, but to expect them to pick up chants easily and to cotton to chant in the entire Mass is expecting too much at this point.

We have to work in reality, and the reality is, our people cannot sing because they have not been taught, so much of the chant will not sound lovely at all. They do not read music because they have not been taught, so putting out music sheets in the pews is largely useless. They do not have the ability to easily learn a chant by ear because their ears have been badly trained by listening to much popular music with “muddy melodies,” unless they are led by an excellent cantor or choir, but many of the cantors and people in the choir are also poorly-educated and trained in music, and are not necessarily strong enough to teach others something that they can barely sing themselves.

As for those of us who are the instrumentalists, we can do our best to feed the people the melody of the chant, but this is not what chant is–a melody accompanied by an instrument. It will be frustrating to purists who believe that chant is chant, and that a piano has no place accompanying anyone in the Mass. But how else are the people to learn? Baby steps. Precept upon precept. We will not sound like Rome in one day, or even in one year.

So in conclusion, stark reality is that many people enjoy listening to good musicians singing chant or other forms of ancient music (and I question this–I believe that many people do NOT enjoy listening to good musicians singing ancient forms of music), but even though they enjoy listening to pros sing it, they are not able to sing it themselves with any degree of comfort or proficiency, mainly due to extremely poor music education in the schools and in our homes and churches. IMO, if the Church wants people to learn and sing chant in the Mass, they must step up and try to make up for a culture that has allowed us to get to a state of musical ignorance. To expect the public schools and even the private schools to change is expecting too much. We have to do it ourselves.
The liturgy is very structured and well defined. Would you please clarify specifically WHEN during the liturgy you feel it is appropriate to sing hymns and when it is not? Take the introit, for example. What don’t you like about what the Graduale Romanum has proscribed and which hymn should replace it.

Also, would you please give an example of WHICH chants your parish is having problems singing? And which ones require instrumentalists?The plainsong chants that our parish sings are not difficult. As I have mentioned before, my parish is blue collar, lower-middle class and they do not seem to be having the problems yours does chanting the Agnus Dei, in Latin, out of the current hymnal, and often without instrumentalists! Why some parishes with professional quality musicians struggle with this while poorer ones just do it without whimpering boggles my mind.
 
Here is a very inspiring quote from P1157 (from St. Augustine)–" How I wept, deeply moved by your hymns, songs, and the voices that echoed through your Church! What emotion I experienced in them! Those sounds flowed into my ears, distilling the truth in my heart. A feeling of devotion surged within me, and tears streamed down my face–tears that did me good."

St. Augustine (4th Century) lived long before Pope Gregory created the Gregorian chant (6th Century), so this quote is referring to…well, it specifically uses the words “hymns” and “songs.”

It kind of sounds to me like hymns have been a part of Catholic culture since the very beginning of the Church.

In fact, after He established the Eucharist at His Last Supper, Jesus joined with the disciples in singing the traditional “hymn.” (Matthew 26: 30).
I don’t think “hymn” and “song” are adequately defined here. These quotes obviously are not referring to Protestant hymns written in the last five hundred years.

Also, please note that on the night Jesus established the Eucharist he did so and THEN they sang a hymn…not before and not during. This time slot corresponds with the hymn that half the parish sings after mass while the other half is either talking or rushing to the parking lot.
 
The liturgy is very structured and well defined. Would you please clarify specifically WHEN during the liturgy you feel it is appropriate to sing hymns and when it is not? Take the introit, for example. What don’t you like about what the Graduale Romanum has proscribed and which hymn should replace it.

Also, would you please give an example of WHICH chants your parish is having problems singing? And which ones require instrumentalists?The plainsong chants that our parish sings are not difficult. As I have mentioned before, my parish is blue collar, lower-middle class and they do not seem to be having the problems yours does chanting the Agnus Dei, in Latin, out of the current hymnal, and often without instrumentalists! Why some parishes with professional quality musicians struggle with this while poorer ones just do it without whimpering boggles my mind.
It is not a question of when I think it is appropriate during the liturgy to sing hymns and when it is not. It is a question of when the GIRM says that it is OK to sing hymns and when it is not. We don’t make up our own version of the liturgy of the Mass.

At the moment, the GIRM says that it is appropriate to sing an Entrance Hymn, a Preparation Hymn, a Communion Hymn, and a Closing Hymn. According to our Music Director, who is completely submissive to the bishop and our priest, this “4-hymn liturgy option” is still an option with the new translation.

What is NOT an option is to sing Mass parts that are not according to the new translation. (No more “poetic license”). That’s fine. There are some versions of the Mass parts that are re-vamps of the old versions, but our music director has wisely decided NOT to use these, since it is very confusing to sing an old melody with new words. I’ve heard the new version of the Creation Mass (at a parish in St. Louis). It’s OK, but I agree with our music director that the best thing to do is start with something new.

The fact that our parish struggles with chant has nothing ot do with “professional quality musicians.” I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that. Our music director has a Master’s Degree in organ and he’s very good. We have another musician in the parish who has a Master’s and is currently the music teacher at a large public high school. We have a third musician who has a Bachelor’s in Music and is the music teacher in our parish school (K-8th grade). And we have me–I have no degree in music, but I play piano extremely well and have over 40 years of church music experience.

But the parish has over 7000 people. Four “professional” musicians per 7000 is not much of a ratio.

And I think that could be where the problem comes–the parish is huge and very diverse. There really isn’t a feeling of “community” in the parish, since most of us don’t know each other. We have nine Masses on the weekends (2 Saturday Vigil Masses and 7 Sunday Masses). Although some people consistently attend the same Mass every week, many do not. So every Mass has a different population of people. If you are in the Mass that has the two music teachers and me, that’s three people out of a thousand (attending the Mass)who are able to sing well enough to follow the music line for a chant. But three people out of thousand, especially in a clamshell, cannot carry the crowd.

Also, keep in mind that in a large parish, there are many many different varieties of Catholics. Many of our people are converts, many from evangelical churches, which means that we have no background whatsoever in chant. Also, many (I would say the majority) of the people are fairly young, which means that they were born after Vatican II and have no background in chant. And most of the us came out of public schools, since up until 30 years ago, they were fairly good and still had a lot of God-fearing Christian people attending. We do have a small population of the “traditional Catholics;” the people who kneel when the receive Holy Communion, the women and girls wear long dresses and veils, and the families have ten children or more. But there aren’t enough of these people to be in every Mass and honestly, I don’t think that the traditional Catholics tend to sing out; they tend to be very quiet. It’s the evangelical converts that sing out! And we don’t get this chant stuff.

It’s always important to realize that just because you or your congregation can do something doesn’t mean that everyone else can do it, too. I attended a ballroom dance party a few weeks ago, and EVERYONE could dance–except me. I am not kidding–even the fattest people in the place were dancing up a storm. Meanwhile my husband (who has been taking ballroom dance lessons with his ice dance partner all summer) was trying to show me the simplest of rumba steps. And a professional dance instructor gave an hour of lessons in the cha cha. I finally just gave up. I couldn’t remember the steps from one minute to the next, my feet and knees hurt, I was nervous about injuring my feet (several surgeries have been done) and to be honest, it really wasn’t fun at all for me. Maybe that seems really lame to you or anyone who can dance easily, but I’m not you. And my parish is not your parish.

I apologize, I don’t know how to post music, and although we have a scanner, I don’t know how to use it. We’re using a simple chanted version of the Mass parts; I believe that an organization called ICEL (?) published it. There are copies in all the pews, so whatever it is, it’s OK to make photocopies. It’s truly ugly. Just random notes, no pattern, no rhythm. Sounds like a baby making random sounds.
 
I. It’s the evangelical converts that sing out! And we don’t get this chant stuff.
You’re generalizing a bit, Cat. I don’t know a lot of Catholics, but a lot of the ones I know are evangelical converts who attend the traditional mass.

If you are used to learning by ear, you pick up the chant eventually. Most of the people I see singing (although quietly 😦 ), are not reading notation. They are reading the words in the missal and singing by ear. It takes time, but not any more time than learning OF mass settings.

When I go to an OF mass, I don’t usually know the songs, and have to rely on the music sheet. I was so happy to find the congregation singing “Here I am Lord”, which I have sung in a Protestant setting. If I didn’t read music, and attended enough OF masses, I would learn them by ear because a lot of evangelicals learn songs and choruses by ear (at least in the Baptist and Pentecostal churches I grew up in).

Now I agree, not everyone is a musician or singer, so it might take longer, but I don’t see an abundance of people singing in the OF masses at the few OF masses I’ve attended. Your parish may be more enthusiastic.

I find the Missa De Angelis VIII to be very singable in my opinion.
 
At the moment, the GIRM says that it is appropriate to sing an Entrance Hymn, a Preparation Hymn, a Communion Hymn, and a Closing Hymn. According to our Music Director, who is completely submissive to the bishop and our priest, this “4-hymn liturgy option” is still an option with the new translation.

I apologize, I don’t know how to post music, and although we have a scanner, I don’t know how to use it. We’re using a simple chanted version of the Mass parts; I believe that an organization called ICEL (?) published it. There are copies in all the pews, so whatever it is, it’s OK to make photocopies. It’s truly ugly. Just random notes, no pattern, no rhythm. Sounds like a baby making random sounds.
The 4 hymn option that you describe is certainly given on the new translation cards printed in the UK in the Diocese of London.

I am also familiar with the ICEL chants you describe and agree that they are ugly and some parts difficult to grasp: they have neither of the elegance of Gregorian Chant, nor the ease of some of vernacular settings that some may be familiar with. I think parishes would do far better to use the revised musical settings for the Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus and Agnus Dei then attempt to introduce these chants for those parts of the mass. I hope somebody composes some alternatives that might do better justice to the new translation.
 
I said it before and I’ll say it again. Hell is where Catholics sing and Protestants dance.
 
I said it before and I’ll say it again. Hell is where Catholics sing and Protestants dance.
Considering that some Protestant churches already have “liturgical dance” I fear what your quote really means for our current times.
 
Considering that some Protestant churches already have “liturgical dance” I fear what your quote really means for our current times.
But all the Protestant churches my husband and I attended forbade dance as “sinful” and “fleshly.”
 
I’m opposite of Cat. Like her, I am a Protestant convert. But, unlike her, I shed every attachment to that identity as soon as I converted. I vehemently dislike Protestant hymns, not only for their theological content (or lack thereof), but also for the musical quality of them. I do not want to go to mass and hear a guitar, as I can do that on my own. I do not want to go to mass and hear how someone “caught the Spirit,” as I heard that quite enough in my Protestant days. I do not want to go to mass to hear someone jamming out on a drum set, as I can go to my cousin’s house for that. I do not want to go to church and hear about how fuzzy and warm inside and loved it makes some feel, as I heard enough of that in my Protestant days. When I converted, I knew that I wasn’t just accepting a religion with a set of beliefs. I knew I was accepting a religion, a set of beliefs, a way of life, and liturgical worship centered on the Eucharist. It’s inevitable that, as our worship differs from that of Protestants in theology, so then, naturally, should the aesthetics. The aesthetics are what we, as physical beings, relay information with. If what we’re singing is of no more theological value than song of Protestants, then why not just call ourselves Protestants? If what we’re hearing is not different musically (as opposed to just lyrically) than Protestants, then why not just go to some Baptist church service after we receive communion at a Catholic mass? See what I mean?

Our religious identity is formed by our beliefs firstly. We believe that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. That is what our primary liturgical worship centers around; it’s a celebration of the confection of the Eucharist. Naturally, the music in that setting has developed, over thousands of years, into a repertoire of grandeur and beauty which is unlike that of any other religion. The music which is unique to the Catholic mass is a great teaching tool for the laity. As I said, our belief in the Eucharist is the basic principle of the Church, and as such, forms our identity primarily. But, as the music unique to our Church has stemmed from that belief in aesthetics and expression, it plays an enormous, albeit secondary, role in our identity. If we embrace all this stuff so Protestant-y in lyrics and style, then we are short-cutting ourselves, and more than that, equating the teaching efficacy of it with that of our traditional, tried-and-true, 100% Catholic music. While yes, in a utopian world, we wouldn’t be so affected by our music that it could perhaps make an impact on our beliefs as it does now, and we could play any sort and we’d still be just as devout, we’re not in a utopian world, and we’re not robots. We associate a certain style, aesthetic, with the Catholic Church, not only in music, but in architecture, vestments, etc., and if we reject these things, our beliefs, inevitably, are also impacted. The inward, while superior in value to the outward, is certainly, without a doubt, affected by it, and in no small measure.

I didn’t become Catholic to be the same as I was when I was Protestant. I was becoming Catholic, acknowledging the immense undertaking of such a decision, and was ready to face huge changes, and was excitedly looking forward to it. Thankfully, my parish is very old, the Redemptorist priests are devout, and so I attend masses that are generally extremely reverent, abuse-free in form and aesthetically very stereotypically “Catholic.” Over my short time of being in the Church, however, I have occasionally attended mass at other churches, and have found myself extremely confused and rather appalled at what I heard to be Protestant-sounding music and attitudes. I am extremely wary of these situations, and not because I’m some Catholic prude, but because I’m a convert, I know very well that belief and aesthetics go hand-in-hand. I believe that lyrics, if containing Protestant-sounding ideas even in the smallest amount, should not be sung. I believe, furthermore, that as the organ and chant are stereotypically “Catholic,” they should be embraced and utilized in every parish, even if the organ is a simple electric model with speakers interspersed throughout the nave. I believe that all Catholic churches should acknowledge and honor our musical history. When Catholics sing Protestant hymns and strum guitars campfire-style and turn up the bass with a drum set, they are saying to Protestants, “We are like you. We are in company with you.” And, if this goes on for long enough, it can, as I have seen clearly in some cases, turn into, “We believe what you believe,” and that is unacceptable.

As far as to whether we can get Catholics to sing, I’d prefer to listen to a professional or regularly-practicing amateur choir than a congregation with various levels of musical ability.
 
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