can we have a discussion with Muslims without getting angry

[Montalban]

No, I have learned that history is largely in the eye of the beholder, so I have been reading a number of perspectives.

Then you’re arguing that the truth is relative (historical truth)

It’s a nonsense in the case of the Crusades.

Islam attacked the Christian world.

The Crusades themselves were a direct reaction to the battle of Manzikert in 1071.

I don’t think the Muslims or the Catholics are “all good”. My issue was, let’s not pretend we are holier than they are!

No one claims this. It’s what we aim for, what are our ideals.

Christians have Jesus as their model of behaviour.

Moslems have Muhammad; a man who had sex with a nine year old. A man who oversaw the execution of PoWs. A man who allowed his followers to lie, in order to murder and then congratulated them on murdering those who mocked him.

We (Christians) aim high, and often fail. Moslems aim low.

 

[El_Paulo]

We (Christians) aim high, and often fail. Moslems aim low.

…doesn’t that amount to the same thing?

It seems that, by your argument, all Muslims should be acting like the Mohammed you described in your post - how do you account for those who don’t?

 

[Montalban]

…doesn’t that amount to the same thing?

How does aiming high and aiming low mean the same thing? The difference of intent doesn’t seem to register with you.

If you shoot me because you don’t like me, and I shoot back at you because I don’t want you to keep shooting at me, the ‘act’ is the same but the intent sets us apart; the difference of one who seeks to brutally kill, and one who seeks to defend himself.

It seems that, by your argument, all Muslims should be acting like the Mohammed you described in your post - how do you account for those who don’t?

I don’t account for them. I feel comfort that they don’t and as they’re not a threat I don’t care, excepting insofar as they’re potentially a threat, if they just follow their faith a little further.

Oskar Schindler was a Nazi-party member who saved over 1,000 Jews. That he personally did this in no way negates the fact that the stated aims of Nazism was the destruction of Jews. The fact that not every Nazi personally killed a Jew also doesn’t negate this fact. We can look at the stated aims of Nazism and those who followed this through.

Islam has stated aims, or rather an aim; to make Islam dominant.

 

[guanophore]

Then you’re arguing that the truth is relative (historical truth)

No. I am saying that the perception of the Truth differs based upon one’s perspective.
Montalban;1970333:

It’s a nonsense in the case of the Crusades. Islam attacked the Christian world. The Crusades themselves were a direct reaction to the battle of Manzikert in 1071.

I was not excusing what the Muslims did. I was saying that Christians have an obligation, if they are to call themselves Christian, to follow the teachings of Christ NO MATTER WHAT!

Christians have Jesus as their model of behaviour.

Well, at least we agree on this point. Now, are you trying to say that the Crusades were an appropriate (Christlike) response to the attack of the Muslims? Would Christ have gone to war, and put men, women, and children to the sword?

We (Christians) aim high, and often fail.

I would like to think this, at least that we aim high. I got on this point because someone made the suggestion that such events as the Crusades were “outright lies against the Church”. The fact is, there have been many “fallings short” and I think it is better to admit it, and move on.

 

[El_Paulo]

How does aiming high and aiming low mean the same thing? The difference of intent doesn’t seem to register with you.

You initially added, “(and fail)”. My point was that a sin is a sin, whether it’s commited by a Christian or a Muslim. I think you do Muslims a disservice on this point - many Muslims aim very high and are an example to us all.

If you shoot me because you don’t like me, and I shoot back at you because I don’t want you to keep shooting at me, the ‘act’ is the same but the intent sets us apart; the difference of one who seeks to brutally kill, and one who seeks to defend himself.

The intent may be different, but is this an example of “aiming high”?

I don’t account for them. I feel comfort that they don’t and as they’re not a threat I don’t care, excepting insofar as they’re potentially a threat, if they just follow their faith a little further.

Potentially? Can you not accept that Islam might differ from your interpretation of it and that most Muslims will never be a threat to you or to anyone else because of their Muslim faith? I admit that Islam has trouble with accepting that other ‘theologies’ exist within it, but it doesn’t stop them being present and having a real affect on the lives of real Muslims.

Oskar Schindler was a Nazi-party member who saved over 1,000 Jews. That he personally did this in no way negates the fact that the stated aims of Nazism was the destruction of Jews. The fact that not every Nazi personally killed a Jew also doesn’t negate this fact. We can look at the stated aims of Nazism and those who followed this through.

Islam has stated aims, or rather an aim; to make Islam dominant.

I’m afraid that I cannot agree that Islam resembles Nazism in the way you have presented it. Many millions of Muslims all over the world demonstrate that intollerance and death don’t have to be the conclusion of following Islam to it’s end - and many Muslims are claiming the religion back from those who do.

 

[Valke2]

I don’t think they are jealous. I think they (radical Islam) are disgusted that infidels have so much wealth. But not jealous.

 

[Booklover]

…doesn’t that amount to the same thing?

It seems that, by your argument, all Muslims should be acting like the Mohammed you described in your post - how do you account for those who don’t?

I thought this quote by ex-Muslim Ali Sina appropriate to what you asked.

“Moderate Muslim”, is oxymoron. Moderate Muslim is one who does not follow his religion properly. He is a wishy-washy Muslim. To make Muslims moderate you have to ask them not to follow their religion fully. But this is not realistic. Can we tell a person that your religion is good but please don’t practice it? If Islam is good why should people not practice it? And if it is bad why should we not denounce it? Moderate Muslim makes as much sense as “moderate Nazi”.

 

[Booklover]

But what does this have to do with being polite to Muslims? This is more about one’s opinion on the war and our troops actions.

If you are implying that because of what happens in Iraq, an American or English born Muslim will mistrust his homeland, I don’t think that is true.

We have Muslims in both militarys, by the way. SO, they must feel as patriotic as Christian British and Americans.

I am a bit sensitive over this issue as I lost a dad to Vietnamn, I have a BIL in Iraq. My sister will return to Iraq in May and my hubby is in Afghanistan right now.

Here is the reply to a question posed to ex-Muslim Ali Sina.

**There are many Muslims living in the West. Many of them have integrated in the society and are westernized. Where does their allegiance lie? **

It depends how deep is their faith. If a Muslim truly believes in his religion his allegiance must be to Islam. Since Islam’s goal is to dominate the world, this Muslim will do everything he can to destroy the country in which he lives and pave the road for the Islamic takeover. This has nothing to do with his ethnicity. An American descendent of early pioneers will plot the death of fellow Americans, once he converts to Islam. A British convert strives to kill his fellow countrymen. And a Jew convert to Islam cheers every time there is a suicide bombing in Israel.
I** received an email, from a distraught American mother whose son converted to Islam and one day he told her that if Islam takes over America, he would not hesitate to kill her, should the order come to slay the non-believers. **

The allegiance of Muslims is to Islam. The brainwashing is complete. Muslims who truly believe in Islam will stab you in the back even if you are their best friend. They are the enemy within. They are the fifth-column among us. An American Muslim soldier sees America as his enemy and will shoot first his fellow soldiers.

It is not politically correct to say it, but do not trust your best Muslim friend if he loves Islam. You do that at your own peril.
Ali Sina

 

[Montalban]

You initially added, “(and fail)”.

Indeed I did. You’ve still picked up on the whole point of ‘intent’.

My point was that a sin is a sin, whether it’s committed by a Christian or a Muslim.

This misses the mark too, because what’s a sin for a Moslem (if they even have that concept, as opposed to simply what is forbidden) is different.

It’s allowable in Islam to fight against unbelievers

I think you do Muslims a disservice on this point - many Muslims aim very high and are an example to us all.

Good for them, however what connection this has to Islam is still yet to be shown by you.

The intent may be different, but is this an example of “aiming high”?

If it’s nothing to do with their faith then the fact that they’re Moslem is irrelevant.

If a man called Eric, with red hair, who’s 39, single and a farmer, who’s also a Christian goes into town one day and shoots up a Post Office the fact that he was a farmer may be irrelevant to his actions.

So saying “Farmers kill people” would be a false statement, unless it could be shown that the act of being a farmer lead to him killing.

If you can draw a connection between a person and their aims through Islam then don’t hesitate to show this connection.

Potentially? Can you not accept that Islam might differ from your interpretation of it and that most Muslims will never be a threat to you or to anyone else because of their Muslim faith?

I’ve studied Islam formally and informally. You’ve simply counter with appeals of incredulity.

I admit that Islam has trouble with accepting that other ‘theologies’ exist within it, but it doesn’t stop them being present and having a real affect on the lives of real Muslims.

Many Moslems may be unaware of the commands to kill. I know many Catholics who think that the “Immaculate Conception” refers to the conception of Jesus. I don’t simply say that because they don’t follow their own faith that the faith believes in what they believe.

I’m afraid that I cannot agree that Islam resembles Nazism in the way you have presented it. Many millions of Muslims all over the world demonstrate that intolerance and death don’t have to be the conclusion of following Islam to it’s end - and many Muslims are claiming the religion back from those who do.

They are only different in some degree. Nazism would kill someone they classify as a Jew, even if that person was an atheist. Islam is thus more inclusive, in that anyone can become a Moslem, whereas in Nazi ideology such movement across boundaries could not happen. However, where they are the same is a belief in intolerance to a degree of being violent. Both see themselves as a superior ideology that is/was destined at global domination.

Both incidentally hate the Jews

 

[pro_universal]

I’ve studied Islam formally and informally. You’ve simply counter with appeals of incredulity.

Please tell us about your study of Islam. What were the major texts and religious authorities you studied under?

 

[Khalfan]

What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
• He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
• He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)
How did Judas die?
• After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
• After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)
Is the law of Moses useful?
• Yes. All scripture is… profitable… (2 Timothy 3:16)
• No. . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness… (Hebrews 7:18)
Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
• Yes (Matthew 14:5)
• No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)
Jesus saw a man sit at the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
• Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
• Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
• After (Mark 14:12-17)
• Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)
Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
• Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
• No. (John 12:27)
In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?
• Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
• One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)
When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?
• Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi …(Matthew 27:46)
• Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi … (Mark 15:34)
According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
• Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46)
• “It is finished” (John 19:30)
Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
• No (John 3:13)
• Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)
At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
• Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
• When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)
A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
• They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)
• As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
Does God repent?
• Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King… (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
• No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29)
Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)
ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).

• What is the possibility for a son can be two years older than his father? It is possible in Bible!!! Check 2 Chronicles 21:20 up to 22:2. Jehoram was 40 year old when died. His son Ahaziah was 42 when became king of Judah.
• Asa Baasha dead at 24th year of his reign (1 Kings 15:33). But he built up a city called Ramah at 36th year of his reign!!! Check 2 Chronicles 16:1.

 

[Khalfan]

Clear Contradictions
Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
• God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
• Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
• Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
• Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? before defeating the Philistines or after?
• After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
• Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
• Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
• Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
In what year of King Asa’s reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
• Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
• Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
• Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
• No (Joshua 15:63)
Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
• Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
• Hell (Luke 3:23)
Who was the father of Shealtiel?
• Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
• Neri (Luke 3:27)
Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
• Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
• Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
Who was the father of Uzziah?
• Joram (Matthew 1:8)
• Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
• Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
• No (John 1:19-21)
Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
• Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
• No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
• By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
• His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
• By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
• On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
• Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
• No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.
Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
• Yes (Mark 6:8)
• No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
• Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
• No (Luke 9:9)
Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
• Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
• No (John 1:32,33)
Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
• Yes (John 1:32, 33)
• No (Matthew 11:2)
According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
• If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
• Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)
Did Judas kiss Jesus?
• Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
• No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
What did Jesus say about Peters denial?
• The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)
• Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.
Did Jesus bear his own cross?
• Yes (John 19:17)
• No (Matthew 27:31-32)
Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
• Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
• No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)
Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
• On the cross (Mark 15:23)
• In Pilates court (John 19:14)
Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
• Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)
• No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17)
When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
• Yes (Acts9:7)
• No (Acts22:9)
When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
• Yes (Acts 26:14)
• No (Acts 9:7)
Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be?
• Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
• No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

 

[Bishopite]

You initially added, “(and fail)”. My point was that a sin is a sin, whether it’s commited by a Christian or a Muslim. I think you do Muslims a disservice on this point - many Muslims aim very high and are an example to us all.

The intent may be different, but is this an example of “aiming high”?

Potentially? Can you not accept that Islam might differ from your interpretation of it and that most Muslims will never be a threat to you or to anyone else because of their Muslim faith? I admit that Islam has trouble with accepting that other ‘theologies’ exist within it, but it doesn’t stop them being present and having a real affect on the lives of real Muslims.

I’m afraid that I cannot agree that Islam resembles Nazism in the way you have presented it. Many millions of Muslims all over the world demonstrate that intollerance and death don’t have to be the conclusion of following Islam to it’s end - and many Muslims are claiming the religion back from those who do.

Perhaps Montalban is speaking of radical Islam which does more ressemble Nazism in that it allows for nothing other than its own Islamic laws to be strictly followed and seeks world domination and that the end justifies the means. All due deference to Muslims, but it is my opinion that the structure and theology of Islam fuels the radical factions to justify their actions because Isalmic theology is one of God being primarily a master who demands submission from His people and if they don’t then his followers are allowed to seek and rid the infidels who deserve what they get and in some cases no matter the means. Christianity says that God is primarily a loving Father who leads a family of sons and daughters in a familial relationship and anyone who fails to love their neighbor as themselves isn’t worthy of heaven, isn’t part of the family of God. And the one who seeks to be first is last and the last shall be first sort of a paradoxical statement, yet not only true but also affective; Jesus being the ultimate example.
Then there is the problem with Islam itself not having any leader or leaders in agreement with one another to proclaim to Muslims what they should or shouldn’t be doing. In Christianity we have the Pope who speaks for and to his Catholic people, in Eastern Orthodoxy we have Patriarchs and Bishops who speak for and to their Orthodox people, even within Protestantism leaders speak for and to them and I would argue, would speak to and for them and emerge in unicen to surpress and condem violence if the tides were turned and Christianity was doing what radical Muslims are doing.

 

[Khalfan]

• Is God ignorant, that he may have to repent of what he does? Check Genesis 6:6.
• Does God allow any other God to exist? Check Judges 11:24.
• Does God lie? Check 2 Kings 3:18 which became a lie at 2 Kings 3:27.
• Is God limited in power? Check Judges 1:19. God could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
• Was God feared of man? If mankind and the salvation was his plan from the beginning, how could he be feared of man for man’s doing? Check Genesis 3:22.
• Isn’t God merciful to his beloved? Why he didn’t accept the will of Jesus? Check Mathew 26:39.
• Does God help for killing newborn babies? Check Exodus 12:29-30.
• Does God command stupidity? Joshua 10:12. He asks son to stop to make the day longer.
• Does God support slavery? Check Exodus 21:5-6.
• Does God make anyone to remain sinner? Check Exodus 10:27.
• If earth is a globe, which mountain was that high, that Jesus could see all the kingdoms? How could it be possible to see all countries from one spot? Check Matthew 4:8. Also check Daniel 4:11, in the dream of Daniel all the people of earth could see the tree. How?
• If the sun was created on the third day (Genesis 1:13-18), how possibly the first 2 days and nights came into existence without the sun? May be God was the source of the light for the first two days; but the earth doesn’t move/rotate (1 Chr 16:30, Psalms 93:1, 96:10), how the day and night, morning and evening happened?
• Did you ever try the qualification test of the true believer as per Mark 16:17-18? Is there any true believer alive who did this test?
• How far the bitter water test (Num 5:12-31) is practical? Is there any priest alive who can do this?
• Who is Immanuel? Check Isaiah 7:14. It cannot be Jesus since the name was a prophecy given by God and Jesus or anyone never used that name to address Jesus in the entire Bible.
• How possibly the uncleanness of the women is double the period (80 days) if she gives birth to a girl in compare to giving birth to a boy (40 days)? Check Levi 12:2-5.
• Weren’t there rainbow before flood during Noah’s period, as God says he set the rainbow as a token of covenant? Check Genesis 9:17.
• Why the disciples surprised by resurrection of Jesus after Jesus had told them repeatedly to expect it? An angel even reminded the women that Jesus had told them of his impending resurrection (Luke 24:6-7). How is it that the women remembered his words (Luke 24:8), but the disciples didn’t (John 20:9, Luke 24:12)? Even Jesus’s enemies remembered that he had foretold that he would rise again (Matthew 27:63).
• Is there anyone ever lived, who could do greater works than God/Jesus did, since he himself said they would (John 14:12)? The context is clearly referring to miracles.
• Why wasn’t Tyre destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar as prophesied by Ezekiel (Ezekiel 26:7)? When it was destroyed by Alexander the Great, why didn’t it remain desolate as prophesied by Ezekiel?
• Why wasn’t Lot condemned for giving his daughters to be abused by the men of Sodom (Genesis 19:8)? The Bible actually calls him righteous (2 Peter 2:7)!

 

[Khalfan]

• If God created Adam not knowing either good or evil (Genesis 3:22, the power was in the fruit), how could such a harsh punishment as death for Adam and all his descendants possibly be just? The Bible says that children will not be punished for the parents’ sins (Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20). Our secular courts are more just than God when they show mercy on people who cannot distinguish between right and wrong, such as children and the mentally handicapped. Where is the justice in punishing us for Adam’s sin?
• Why do some churches object to wine since the Bible indicates that it is a gift from God (Psalm 104:14-15)? How can they continue to object even when they acknowledge that Jesus turned water into wine? Is this anything more than a holdover from prohibition? In fact, the Bible promotes drunkenness in Proverbs 31:6-7.
• Why do some churches ignore controversial teachings in the Bible, such as speaking in tongues, baptism for the dead, the requirement for women to wear head coverings and to remain silent, the identification of the “sons of God” in Genesis 6, the necessity of poverty in order to follow Jesus (Luke 14:33), etc.? Doesn’t the Holy Spirit reveal the true meaning of these passages to believers? If so, why do sincere believers come to opposite conclusions on their own, and why aren’t they able to come to agreement when they dialog with each other?
• Why must Christians resort to divination (looking for “guidance,” looking for “doors of circumstance to open or close,” etc.) if the Holy Spirit dwells within them? What is the benefit of an indwelling Holy Spirit if it doesn’t manifest itself in day-to-day living, and it has to be coaxed into revealing God’s will in major decisions?
• Why does the genealogy in Matthew 1 show that Jesus descended through a cursed line? (Matthew 1:11-12, Jeremiah 22:28-30, 1 Chronicles 3:16 and Jeremiah 36:30 versus Luke 1:32) Jeconiah (Jehoiachin) and his father Jehoiakim were both cursed by God himself, who said that neither of these men would have any descendent on the throne of David. How could Jesus possibly be the Messiah, destined to rule forever on the throne of David, if he descended through either of these men?
• How can it be that Jesus contradicts the Old Testament (1 Samuel 21-22), saying that Abiathar gave David the showbread instead of Ahimelech, and saying that David had men with him, when he was actually alone (Mark 2:25-26)?
• Why was Jesus in the tomb for only one and a half day at the most, when he said he would be there three days and three nights (Matthew 12:40)? Surely the son of God would say precisely what he means, wouldn’t he?

 

[Khalfan]

Please… can any christian answer those questions and tell why those contradictions?

Thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

Khalfan,
Here are the answers
debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

Now answer these
answering-islam.de/Main/Quran/Contra/

 

[Khalfan]

Both the sites are blocked in my country UAE. Can you please go through the questions and reply me for each questions if possible. You can use my mail getkhalfan@hotmail.com

Thank you

 

[dolphinlove]

it will take time but ill get it done asap…

 

[Khalfan]

Yaa, you are right. It is a lot of questions. I appreciate if you can split the questions in to 7 or 8 groups so that it will be easy for you to answer. I appreciate if you avoid regular Christian answers like “you have to have Spirit in you to understand Bible”, since I cannot believe in something that I don’t know.

Thanks for your time.