pro_universal:
How is that taking responsibility???
By making a choice not to lash out. That’s taking responsibility.
pro_universal:
That would seem to be doing the opposite when you’re talking about an entire population. It’s one thing for an individual to let someone slap him; it’s quite another for an entire race of people to allow collective abuse.
It’s been done. Gandhi, Martin Luther King etc lead such movements.
Montalban:
Admitting the root cause of the problem’s another one
pro_universal:
They have no problem addressing root causes. I think what you mean by this is “agreeing with Montalban on what the root cause is.”
As they’re synonymous, in this case, then yes that would be so.
Montalban:
As noted Islam supports terrorism, it’s done so for centuries before the US ever came into being.
pro_universal:
It never has done so, and does not do so now. Try this:
Give a coherent, general definition of terrorism. Then find me an act of terrorism committed by Muslims before 1967.
It’s hard to imagine you kept a straight face when composing this
challenge
1955 in Constantinople the Turks launched a pogrom against the Greeks.
imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/terr.e.html
and
chicago.agrino.org/turkish_pogrom_against_the_greeks.htm
and
Since 1924, the status of the Greek minority in Turkey has been ambiguous. Beginning in the 1930s, the government instituted repressive policies forcing many Greeks to emigrate. Examples are the labour battalions drafted among non-Muslims during World War II as well as the Fortune Tax (Varlık Vergisi) levied mostly on non-Muslims during the same period. These resulted in financial ruination and death for many Greeks. The exodus was given greater impetus with the Istanbul Pogrom of September 1955 when thousands of Greeks were forced to flee for their lives, eventually reducing the Greek population to about 48,000 by 1965. Although the size of the Greek minority has continued to decline, the Greek citizens of Turkey generally constitute one of the country’s wealthiest communities.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Turkey
There’s the massacre in Smyrna in the 1920s which terrorised many thousands into leaving.
hellenicgenocide.org/quotes/
All the way back to the time of Muhammad.
(see post #66
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=1758617&highlight=terror+islam#post1758617)
pro_universal:
The whole premise of this line of thought is absurd. There is no Islamic organization even remotely capable of “threatening US democracy.”
It doesn’t have to be a threat from a single organisation.
pro_universal:
The Nazis possessed the most technologically advanced army in the world. They also had a political party that attracted broad support in Germany.
Good for them. You miss the point. They were an ideology against democracy that used the means of that democratic society to undermine it.
pro_universal:
Muslims are generally discriminated against in the US, and represent a fraction of the population. Their situation is much more comparable to the Jews of Germany during the 30’s, not the Germans.
Thank God for the US then. None of what you state negates the fact that Moslems seek to make the world Islamic.
pro_universal:
How do you know that the people complaining despise the system?
You for one always are happy to raise issues of the ills of America.
pro_universal:
Since you like to talk, I’ll indulge you once in a while. But I won’t respond to childish and insulting comments about other people’s religions, and if you keep making them, I’ll just ignore you.
Frankly, I don’t care if you respond or not. I am here to offer a case to those who are willing to read it and you’re responses apart from helping me are an insight to all about the double-talk and illogical nonsense synonomous with Islamic thinking. Moslems negate responsibility for their acts of terror.
You here do the same by at best trying to pin it to a reaction to western imperialism/Zionism. You further, without even accepting that Moslems use terror want to point out the evils of the USA. All the while you skip about the issue that Moslems are terrorists. (Note I don’t say ALL Moslems are terrorists, nor all terrorists are Moslems). Moslems use the Koran and the example of Muhammad in order to spread Islam through jihad. And in Islam terrorism is seen as a legitimate means to that ends. History is full of examples of the many means Moslems managed their conquered territories. From discriminatory laws, through to ethnic cleansing and the use of terror.
