Can we please talk about Eucharistic Adoration again...civilly?

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How do you explain
There is nothing to explain beyond what I already said.
They do not for the most part, however, have special services in which the gifts are venerated but not consumed.
That does not mean, however that there gifts are not venerated - that there is no Eucharsitc adoration.
In Eucharist liturgies the gifts are venerated. I’ll ask again: have you been to a per-sanctified liturgy.
 
I’ll ask again: have you been to a per-sanctified liturgy.
Here is a video of The Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts - March 6, 2019 St. Nicholas Byzantine Catholic Church - Barberton, OH.
The Sacrament is not exposed as in Roman Catholic Eucharistic Adoration but it is completely covered as the priest walks around the Church. 48: 12 – 49: 30 and then to 50: … etc. There is bowing and reverence but i don’t see the Blessed Sacrament exposed as in Catholic Eucharist Adoration.
i am still not sure what is meant when Russian Orthodox theologian, Alexander Schmemann says:
" the gifts themselves never became in the Orthodox East an object of special reverence, contemplation, and adoration,…” unless he means outside of the Divine Liturgy. The ceremony here was within the Divine Liturgy and a part of it, No?

 
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The Sacrament is not exposed as in Roman Catholic Eucharistic Adoration
Neither, as I had already pointed out, are the gifts exposed during the Benediction service that I described. Exsposure is not the sine qua non of adoration.
 
. Exsposure is not the sine qua non of adoration.
Is it true that by your definition, Roman Catholics have Eucharistic adoration at every Mass, since the Eucharist is venerated right after the Consecration by the genuflection of the priest, etc.? I didn’t think that this was what the OP meant by Eucharistic Adoration. I thought that what was meant by Eucharistic Adoration was something separate from the veneration that occurs during the Mass.
 
It reminds me of the reality of breathing with our two lungs…eastern and Latin …better to accept the two lungs than dissecting one lung while trying to figure out how it works , like dissecting a butterfly’s wing while trying to understand how it flies. Thanks for your wise reminder. God bless 🙌
 
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I am Latin church but try to watch this every time its on for Sunday. I like the priests homily too. He is great. What a beautiful church too. Great choir too. Just love to see all the altar servers and those young altar servers are terrific…holding those candles …how regal everyone is dressed…such honor to God. Also have watched the Presanctfied gifts…I have learned so much from the internet and links I have found.
 
here was a practice that developed in the old country
For Ruthenians, there is some dispute as to whether the “old country” is New Jersey or Western Pennsylvania 🤣😜😱
Do you not fully prostrate yourself as the consecrated gifts are brought out at the great entrance?
That can’t be done practically in the churches that have those funky wooden things all over the place . . .
Is it true that by your definition, Roman Catholics have Eucharistic adoration at every Mass, since the Eucharist is venerated right after the Consecration by the genuflection of the priest, etc.?
In many (most?) Byzantine liturgy, the priest (and congregation?) make a full prostration immediately after the Epiclesis. Eventually, the priest will leave the Holy Place to face the people, lift the covered cup (which now contains both Body and Blood), and announce, “Approach with the fear of God and with Faith.”

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Eastern Christians (Orthodox and Catholic) typically do not appropriate “newer” innovations. Like anything newer than the first seven Ecumenical Councils.

Adoration of the Eucharist is a newer development in the Church, and became most pronounced during the Counter-Reformation.

No one in the East ever doubted the True Presence of Christ. In the West, Protestants began that attack on the Western/Latin Church that they had experience with.

The Holy Mysteries are guarded and protected, and Eastern theology is happy to embrace their Mystery. It is very different from Western precision, explanation, and legalism that comes forth from Scholasticism and the Angelic Doctor.

Recall, even during the Divine Liturgy, very little of what occurs on the Altar is seen by anyone but the clergy. Even when the Royal Doors are open, you simply see the back of the priest. Many of his prayers are never heard by the congregation. You interact more with the deacon who leads multiple litanies and incensations. The iconostasis is like a wall separating heaven (sanctuary) from earth (nave).

The theological and liturgical patrimony of the East simply do not envision worship of the reserved Holy Bread. It is only reserved for taking to the sick, as it was in the West, initially, too.

Where Eastern parishes or monasteries might do something like this, they are the exception and not the rule. Many parishes have Latinizations, but they don’t make sense, and Pope Saint John Paul II, worked hard to get rid of them.

Deacon Christopher
 
In many (most?) Byzantine liturgy, the priest (and congregation?) make a full prostration immediately after the Epiclesis. Eventually, the priest will leave the Holy Place to face the people, lift the covered cup (which now contains both Body and Blood), and announce, “Approach with the fear of God and with Faith.”
And again after Communion the priest blesses the people, raising the chalice and saying:
Save your people and bless your inheritance
This moment is reprised in the highlight of the Benediction service.
 
Many of his prayers are never heard by the congregation.
Although in recent decades, these prayers are audible, or even changed, in many churches.

In one of the Orthodox churches, as the patriarch’s voice had grown weaker, a microphone was installed so that his audible prayers could be heard. That this would also pick up the “secret prayers” was not seen as a problem: they are called that because. they are (were) prayed in a soft voice, not to hide them from the people.
The iconostasis is like a wall separating heaven (sanctuary) from earth (nave).
“like” isn’t quite strong enough, but I’m not sure which word to use. “Represents”? . . .

Also, from Pascha to Pentecost, these doors are open.

Some churches also have a curtain in addition to the iconostasis, which is raised and lowered.
 
Some churches also have a curtain in addition to the iconostasis, which is raised and lowered.
I believe usage of curtains is common in Armenian churches. I’ve been to several with curtains.
 
I believe usage of curtains is common in Armenian churches. I’ve been to several with curtains.
Russian Orthodox and OCA as well. I would imagine you would also find the use of a curtain in the ROCOR (I’ve never been to one of their Divine Liturgies).

ZP
 
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