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JW55
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I believe the Maronite monastery in Massachusetts does it as a regular part of their practice. However, I think they have received some criticism for it as it is not viewed as a traditional Maronite practice .
Can we please talk about Eucharistic Adoration again...civilly?
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Tis_Bearself
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The last thread I started on this was because I read of some Eastern Catholic monastery, maybe it was the same one, that had incorporated Eucharistic Adoration into their practice. The decision was apparently controversial as many Eastern Catholics saw it as a big Westernization, maybe to get attention, and basically said if they are doing that then they are no longer Eastern Catholic.
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Salibi
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Off topic, but I looked over your previous thread about Adoration, Tis, and I didn’t see anything wrong with your question. Thought you’d like to know.
Back to topic: If a Maronite monastery utilizes a Western tradition that does not make it cease to be Maronite. We are free to import traditions and devotions from each other, I myself say the Rosary instead of using an Eastern Chotki. The problem happens when a Rite attempts to impose itself on other Rites, this problem has been solved to an extent by the Vatican.
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JW55
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You are correct , and many of the monks there initially came from other than Eastern Catholic background. There is often some concerns about mixing traditions and some EC are sensitive because historically many Eastern practices were taken from them. Since Vatican 2, there has been an encouragement for EC to restore their traditions, so sometimes there can be a bit of a sensitivity of incorporating a practice that is not traditionally practiced in the East.
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ioannes_pius
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I think I might know the Monastery you’re talking about.
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rightness
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When it comes to worshiping the Eucharist, I like to think about this quote from St. Augustine:
Now this is about receiving the Eucharist, not adoration, however, the emphasis on adoring the Eucharist is the same. I would have to read more about the Eastern Orthodox liturgy before I can comment, but I’m a bit surprised that they don’t have adoration of some kind. Do they even have adoration for the tabernacle?
I remember hearing stories that they would worship the Shroud of Turin in Constantinople, that is before the Crusaders stole it.
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DeniseNY
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Our spirituality is different:
In the East, the Eucharist the “medicine of immortality”; to be consumed.
“Holy Mysteries” are to be concealed; not exposed.
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rightness
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But you do have a tabernacle, right? It is concealed in that state. Do you show the presence of Christ in the tabernacle with respect like Catholics do?
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Salibi
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Source, please?
(No need- of course the Orthodox did not worship the Shroud of Turin.)
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mrsdizzyd
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Eastern Catholics are Catholics. Of course they show respect to the Eucharist! Honestly, the way you have phrased this is very offensive, and I’m not even an Eastern Catholic!
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Salibi
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You’ll soon find that it’s pointless to assert to them that we’re Catholic, so don’t bother. Usually, if a Latin chooses to operate outside of Church teaching and consider us Easterners non-Catholic, then he’s left the bounds of logical, reasonable discussion and it’s better not to bother oneself with engaging them.
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rightness
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Well, obviously, the Shroud of Turin’s origin are already highly disputed, so I’m not saying it’s true. I just watched a documentary on FORMED, so I can’t really link a source.
I was directing that question to DeniseNY to when she said “In the East”, I didn’t think of Eastern Catholics, but the Eastern Orthodox. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Obviously all Catholics pay respects to the tabernacle. I’m just not sure what the Orthodox do.
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mrsdizzyd
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You might want to edit your post for clarification. Denise is Eastern Catholic.
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Salibi
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I think what you mean is “venerate”, not “worship.”
Apologies for misunderstanding your post about the East.
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AlNg
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I read the following:
catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=706
"We must worship the Eucharist. In worshipping the Eucharist, we are not worshipping a piece of bread or a cup of wine. In worshipping the Eucharist we are not sinning; we are not committing idolatry. Idolatry is when you worship something or someone who is not God. The Eucharist is God. " .
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rightness
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Tis_Bearself put the term in quotes signifying what protestants think of us “worshipping the Eucharist”.Tis_Bearself:
I read the following:
catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=706
"We must worship the Eucharist. In worshipping the Eucharist, we are not worshipping a piece of bread or a cup of wine. In worshipping the Eucharist we are not sinning; we are not committing idolatry. Idolatry is when you worship something or someone who is not God. The Eucharist is God. " .
The protestants think we worship bread, but we definitely do and should worship the Eucharist because it is not bread. It is our Lord.
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DeniseNY
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I’m Eastern Catholic
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EZweber
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Just to clarify on this, the Eucharist is no longer bread but God, so of course we worship it.
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EZweber
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I don’t know about Adoration in particular, but many of the differences between the Eastern and Western Church seem to be more of emphasis than anything else.
Tis_Bearself
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Yes, the Eucharist is God. That is what I said. And that should be the end of the discussion so we don’t go off topic. If you wish to further discuss the nature of Adoration, please start a new thread.
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