Can you tell who in this picture is in full communion with Rome?

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Kielbasi said:
True, but there are no Eastern Orthodox priests without them.

The clean shaven priests are in union with Rome. The bearded ones may or may not be.
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Beards are not universally required of Orthodox clergy. I even know of one American bishop who is not comfortable with a beard – granted, he does go without shaving for a couple of weeks before he goes back to the old country for meetings with other hierarchs . . . but in general, he is clean-shaven.
 
(bottom row are all Patriarchs)
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Note:

With regards the bottom row, the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem (second from left) has an honorific title of Patriarch, unlike the Eastern and Oriental Catholic Patriarchs who are heads of Sui Iuris Churches. The head of the Latin Church Sui Iuris is the Patriarch of the Latin Church, and that’s the Pope (who is not pictured here).

God bless,

Rony
 
I’m counting 23 of them. One representative for each church?
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While coincidently there are 23 men shown here, they do not correspond to the 23 Sui Iuris Catholic Churches. The heads of only 6 Sui Iuris Catholic Churches are present in this picture (shown in bottom row).

God bless,

Rony
 
ronyodish said:
Ok class,

I will give you the full breakdown of this picture sometime later tonight. By all means, you may continue to guess until then.

CatholicCid :tsktsk: Mischievous antics will not be permitted in class! Next time, you will have to answer to Vladyka Seraphim :ouch:

Prof. Rony 🤓

P.S. I think he might be a cardinal too 😃
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Ok, I’ll be good 🤓

:rotfl:
 
ronyodish said:
While coincidently there are 23 men shown here, they do not correspond to the 23 Sui Iuris Catholic Churches. The heads of only 6 Sui Iuris Catholic Churches are present in this picture (shown in bottom row).

God bless,

Rony
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Hey, you have to admit it was a reasonable guess. Do I still get a cookie?
 
Hey, you have to admit it was a reasonable guess.
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It was actually a very reasonable guess.
Do I still get a cookie?
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This is a class, not a cafeteria! :rolleyes:
But because of your valiant efforts, here are some good middle eastern cookies… enjoy! 😃



Prof. Rony 🤓
 
Kielbasi said:
True, but there are no Eastern Orthodox priests without them.

The clean shaven priests are in union with Rome. The bearded ones may or may not be.
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What, no Eastern Orthodox priests without beards? Ummmmmm, I know lots of Eastern Orthodox priests who don’t have beards.
 
Irish_Melkite said:
My presumption would be that the photo is from the Annual Congress of the Catholic Patriarchs of the East - which is what usually brings this august body together in one place.

From the building, which I recognize from elsewhere, the photo was taken somewhere on the grounds of the Armenican Catholic Patriarchate at Bzommar, Lebanon.

Any hierarchs or clergy not in communion will most likely be Antiochenes (Syriac Orthodox) and Antiochians (Antiochian Orthodox), as both are typically represented there.

The first row - left to right

His Holiness Mar Emmanuel III (Karim) Cardinal Delli, Catholicos and Patriarch of Babylon and Ur of the Chaldees for the Catholic Chaldeans & Arch-Eparch of Baghdad of the Chaldeans

His Beatitude Michael Sabbagh, Patriarch of Jerusalem of the Latins & Archbishop of Jerusalem

His Beatitude Gregory III (Loutfi) Laham, BSO, Patriarch of Antioch and All The East, of Alexandria, and of Jerusalem, of the Melkite Greek Catholics & Arch-Eparch of Antioch of the Melkites

His Beatitude Nerses Bedros XIX Tarmouni, Catholicos & Patriarch of Cilicia of the Armenias for All the Catholic Armenians & Arch-Eparch of Cilicia of the Armenians

His Beatitude Mar Nasrallah Boutros Cardinal Sfeir, Patriarch of Antioch and All The East of the Maronites & Arch-Eparch of Antioch of the Maronites

His Beatitude Ignace IV Hazim, Patriarch of Antioch & All the East of the Roman Orthodox (Antiochians)

His Beatitude Mar Ignace Pierre VIII (Gregoire) Abdel-Ahad, Patriarch of Antioch and All The East of the Syrian Catholics & Arch-Eparch of Antioch of the Syrians

His Holiness Antonios Naguib, Patriarch of Alexandria of the Catholic Copts & Arch-Eparch of Alexandria of the Copts

As to the others, I can pick and choose a few:

Second row -

2nd from left (in white) I think is His Excellency Roland Abu-Jaoude, who is an Auxiliary of the Arch-Eparchy of Antioch of the Maronites

4th from left (with purple edging on his riassa) is likely a Syriac Catholic chorepiscopus

Third row -

1st at left (purple sash falling from his waist) is probably a Maronite bishop - relatively youthful looking - I have a feeling that I should be able to put a name to him, but I’m blanking

2nd from left (wearing the Koobuono) is almost assuredly a Syriac Orthodox bishop - probably from the Archdiocese of Beirut

Fourth row -

1st at left (reddish-purple piping on his riassa) is most likely an Armenian Catholic bishop

Fifth row -

2nd from left (not much showing) might be Sayednah Youssef Kallas, Arch-Eparch of Beirut & Jbeil of the Melkites

4th from left (last in row), with what look to be reddish/purple buttons on a latin-style outer vesture, is probably an Armenian Catholic bishop as well.

Many years,

Neil
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Why are non-Catholics represented in a Catholic congress?
 
Semper_Fi said:
Why are non-Catholics represented in a Catholic congress?
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Because the status and relationship that exists among the various Churches in the Middle East is unique.

The congress is much concerned with issues that particularly affect Christians in the Middle East - and those issues do not discriminate by ecclesial affiliation.

As Melkite Patriarch Maximos V, of blessed memory, once observed of himself and his four similarly-titled confreres
Irrespective of the state of unity within the broader Church, the Patriarchate of Antioch is a unique entity which fraternally exercises responsibility for both the spiritual and secular well-being of those whose ancestors first gathered around Peter. Indiviually and collectively, we, as his successors, accept and exercise that responsibility seriously.
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Many years.

Neil
 
ronyodish said:
If you are new to, or still learning about, Eastern/Oriental Christianity, can you tell from this picture of these Hierarchs, who is in full communion with Rome, and who is not?

http://www.lpj.org/newsite2006/immagini/eveques-liban.jpg

I will post the names later on.

God bless,

Rony
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While this might be an Interesting question to some, to me, “puzzles” of this type don’t intrigue me.

All I need to know is that every Orthodox since the Great Schism and every Protestant since the Reformation is not in full communion with Rome (or in full communion with God’s Will for that matter).

The End.
 
FiremanFrank said:
While this might be an Interesting question to some, to me, “puzzles” of this type don’t intrigue me.

All I need to know is that every Orthodox since the Great Schism and every Protestant since the Reformation is not in full communion with Rome (or in full communion with God’s Will for that matter).

The End.
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Brother Frank:

The last time I looked…
The Hungry are NOT fed
The Thirsty Are NOT given drink,
Aliens and Strangers are NOT welcomed,
The Homeless are NOT Sheltered,
The Naked are NOT clothed,
The Sick are NOT Ministered to,
Those in Prison are NOT visited,
The poor do NOT hear the Gospel,
Workman are still denied their wages,
The window and the orphan are still denied justice in the courts,
Babies are slaughtered by the 100,000’s in the womb,
Catholics & other Christians still don’t TITHE,
and
Justice does NOT roll down as the rivers roll down into the sea!

“And Jesus said, ‘Let him who is without sin among you, cast the first stone…’ Again, he stooped to write on the ground… And Jesus was left alone, with the woman standing where the mob had brought her.” (John 8:7-9)

I don’t know about you, but I seem to recall reading my name on the ground. I don’t think MANY of us are “in Full Communion with God’s will” at all. If we were, there would be so many miracles the atheists wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, and we’d be suffering the same persecution the Early Church did.

Your Brother in Christ, Michael

PS: Does this sound familiar - “These are some of the signs that will accompany believers: They will throw out demons in my name, they will speak in new tongues, they will take snakes in their hands, they will drink poison and not be hurt, they will lay hands on the sick and make them well.” (Mark 16:17-18 The Message) If we were “in Full Communion with God’s will” we’d be seeing these - and more…
 
Traditional_Ang said:
Brother Frank:

The last time I looked…
The Hungry are NOT fed
The Thirsty Are NOT given drink,
Aliens and Strangers are NOT welcomed,
The Homeless are NOT Sheltered,
The Naked are NOT clothed,
The Sick are NOT Ministered to,
Those in Prison are NOT visited,
The poor do NOT hear the Gospel,
Workman are still denied their wages,
The window and the orphan are still denied justice in the courts,
Babies are slaughtered by the 100,000’s in the womb,
Catholics & other Christians still don’t TITHE,
and
Justice does NOT roll down as the rivers roll down into the sea!

“And Jesus said, ‘Let him who is without sin among you, cast the first stone…’ Again, he stooped to write on the ground… And Jesus was left alone, with the woman standing where the mob had brought her.” (John 8:7-9)

I don’t know about you, but I seem to recall reading my name on the ground. I don’t think MANY of us are “in Full Communion with God’s will” at all. If we were, there would be so many miracles the atheists wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, and we’d be suffering the same persecution the Early Church did.

Your Brother in Christ, Michael

PS: Does this sound familiar - “These are some of the signs that will accompany believers: They will throw out demons in my name, they will speak in new tongues, they will take snakes in their hands, they will drink poison and not be hurt, they will lay hands on the sick and make them well.” (Mark 16:17-18 The Message) If we were “in Full Communion with God’s will” we’d be seeing these - and more…
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Good post. But Jesus also wanted Christians to be “one”. Historically, a lot of time and energy has been dedicated to the various causes of division. Each has his own perspective on who is responsible for that, and who might end it. Possibly if the scandal of division did not exist, the world might be a far better place. Certainly the secularists would have a rougher go in imposing their agenda. One doesn’t have to read too many of these threads to see how invested in division many are.

As a Catholic, I certainly have my own, and my Church’s perspective on all of that, and since the whole segment of the forum is dedicated to the details of division and various takes on it, I don’t want to start the whole gigantic thing again here.

Perhaps there is some ultimate good that will come of the divisions within Christianity; divisions that were never inherent and always lamented. But it’s hard to see what good that could be.

I sit here and wonder, my goodness, Anglicans are so very close to Catholicism that it would take them very little to reunite. You sit there and think, gee, if only Rome would accept that we’re part of the same “church” too, with a few minor differences that should be overlooked. The orthodox seem to think if we Catholics would only reject developments of the past thousand years and give up this notion of a Pope, it would all be smooth. Catholics are baffled by that, even more than we are by some Anglicans’ thinking they’re, in effect, Catholics already.

I can’t abandon what my Church teaches for all kinds of reasons; not the least being my feeling that once I did that, I would be as “on my own” as a fundamentalist, and I have little prospect, and much distaste, for “reinventing the theological wheel”. (And no, I don’t want to hear the EO thing about “innovations” here. Plenty of opportunities elsewhere.)

Sometime or other, there is going to be a reunion of Christians. I believe that. Might be a thousand years from now. (Though in the case of many Protestants, I’m not sure it’s that far off.) Likely it won’t be on the terms any of us would suppose at the moment.

And when it comes to writings on the ground, I’m fairly sure Jesus didn’t write my sins there, or He would have required all the football fields in North America for mine alone.
 
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