Candace Owens on progressive politics

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Lost me at Raymond Arroyo…I always respected his biblical and theological knowledge, but in my opinion he sold out to politics and threw that all into the dust bin.
 
The Church has always struggled to evangelize the black community, since they were taught as Protestants and then abandoned to form “black churches” along the Protestant model. Our task has to be to help convert and bring them into the one fold - away from the individualism private interpretation. Many Catholics are to blame for unwillingness to reach out and help in this. Candice would be a good Catholic. Maybe this encounter with EWTN will be a step on that journey for her - we can hope.
 
The first issue is the right to life, something wrong with Raymond Arroyo?? No, not with Arroyo.

Candace is a big pro-lifer. We all should be.

If BLM matters, it should be Black Lives Matter, now, some exceptions to follow the Democrat agenda.
dscath said:
Lost me at Raymond Arroyo…I always respected his biblical and theological knowledge, but in my opinion he sold out to politics and threw that all into the dust bin.
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Selling out would be to support the Democrats anti-life agenda.
 
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The leftist, neo-Marxist agenda has been to attack family life and attack Christianity as the foundation of culture and values. Candace Owens described that well. Infiltration of black community. Planned Parenthood.
 
Bill_B_NY said:
The Church has always struggled to evangelize the black community, since they were taught as Protestants and then abandoned to form “black churches” along the Protestant model.
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Evangelize? Not in the US; not really. The Catholic Church in the United States was never very active in seeking black converts.

What are Candace Owens’ qualifications, anyway? What’s her position? Why should anyone listen to her other than that she stands out as a black Trump supporter?

I don’t know the answers to those questions, by the way.
 
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Nepperhan said:
What are Candace Owens’ qualifications, anyway? What’s her position? Why should anyone listen to her other than that she stands out as a black Trump supporter?
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Did you listen to the interview? I think that will answer the question of her “position” on several issues. She stands out because she is articulate and thoughtful and well-informed on many matters of interest, and she comes from an underprivileged black background but speaks logically and clearly against the expectations that people have for such a person. If there were thousands of people like her, then we’d look for some reason to distinguish her from the rest. As it stands, she’s a rare voice and people pay attention for that reason.
 
Bill_B_NY said:
Did you listen to the interview? I think that will answer the question of her “position” on several issues.
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I meant her position in industry or government. Does she have a job?

Coming from an underprivileged background and being successful is good, but I have found that it can be disconcerting. Some folks in that category think that others could replicate their success but for their laziness. In other words, the poor deserve to be poor. Reagan had a lot of that in him.
 
She refers to people who “don’t want to work” or something to that effect, and then references what she calls “the work ethic”.
I found her repetition of that as a defensive statement - an awareness that she’s a Protestant, on Catholic TV.
She was going to say, maybe, “the Protestant work ethic”.
That’s the Judaizing tendency that has been present in Protestantism since the Reformers, from the Talmud and Jewish influence. The success gospel. The idea that you’re blessed by wealth and cursed by poverty (ignoring the Book of Job).
I think Mr. Arroyo also gave the typical Catholic-ecumenical nod to “Biblical religion” as we always seem to do when we talk with Protestants and Evangelicals to signal “we agree with you - yes, Biblical!”.
But that’s how we make it friendly for people we agree with on social issues, as with Candace Owens here.
But in the end, she is suffering from false, heretical belief. Her nice demeanor and interesting arguments do not cover up for that. It’s like admiring any non-Catholic. In the end, they will oppose something we hold sacred and essential. In some cases, oppose it bitterly and even with a bit of anti-Catholic hatred.
But I will accept that ecumenism means that we try to avoid such things, and look for common ground. At the same time, we do eventually have to point out that non-Catholics are incorrect about important matters and it almost always causes them to see social, political and intellectual issues in the wrong way. As you point out here with Candace Owens.
I think some people are just happy to find that much agreement - as I am - with a spokesperson for the black community (as she seems to be, as much as anyone, Kanye West?)
 
I am reminded of Alan Keyes who was highly qualified, very articulate and a Catholic. I think he has fallen from the spotlight because he criticized Donald Trump for his immoral qualities - not sure on that.
 
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Alan Keyes lost a bit of steam, he has become one of those “run every time” candidates and I don’t begrudge him for that.

See, in 2012, if I remember all correctly, he was in the first GOP debate but not ones after that because of lack of supporters, they can’t let everyone in. Just like with Gary Johnson or Tulsi Gabbard this year though, Tulsi, I believe actually did have enough support to be in some of the debates or at least, one she was not invited to, they just did not care for her there.
 
Bill_B_NY said:
I think some people are just happy to find that much agreement - as I am - with a spokesperson for the black community (as she seems to be, as much as anyone, Kanye West?)
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Nope. She’s uncredentialed as a black spokesperson. Kanye is known to be suffering from emotional problems at present and should not be exploited. He’s not a spokesperson anyway.
 
Nepperhan said:
Coming from an underprivileged background and being successful is good, but I have found that it can be disconcerting.
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Just following - I missed the implication here.

"You come from an underprivileged background. That really bothers me. " 🙂
You might want to re-think that.
 
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Ha, ha, hee, hee, LOL. Of course it would be disconcerting to you. Undermines your entire philosophy.
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No, I meant that her background has disconcerted her.

Once again, you lapse into personal comments about me. Let it go.
 
Nepperhan said:
No, I meant that her background has disconcerted her.
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“Your underprivileged background has upset you. Thankfully, I came from a privileged background so I can explain how this is a problem for you.” 🙂
 
Bill_B_NY said:
“Your underprivileged background has upset you. Thankfully, I came from a privileged background so I can explain how this is a problem for you.”
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I have not said a thing about my background. Let’s not personalize this.
Bill_B_NY said:
I am reminded of Alan Keyes who was highly qualified, very articulate and a Catholic.
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Alan Keyes is not really all that qualified and can be called a gadfly, more than anything else. He even lost official Republican support in IL when he ran against Obama for the senate (They needed a black opponent) and lost badly.
 
Bill_B_NY said:
True. You were judging her background as being a problem. So, it’s either a problem for you also, or not.
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Maybe we should stick to the subject. I said some people with her background have a problem. That does not say a thing about me nor do I state that her background, as a category, is a problem.

Deal with the issue.
 
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