CARAVAN heading to The U.S.A ( POLL )

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DENNYINMI said:
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HarryStotle:
More food for thought.
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It’s all delicious when important points are pointed out. Enjoy the entre’. There is an important aspect to farming, whether working with livestock or equipment. Many Americans cannot do what migrant farmers were doing because…drum roll>>>>They don’t know how and are safety liabilities.

It was only a point, not subject to argument. Hay (no pun, lol) it is what it is. haha
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And most of those Americans who cannot do what migrant farmers are doing, but could, have been family farm descendants who have been put off of their family farms by large corporate interests which have forced them out. And that largely by importing cheap labour to do at a scale and cost that family farms could not.

So now, let’s expand that to all sectors of the economy, including tech.

That way we will completely gut the middle class and leave only the super rich and the poor to survive on low wages and the social security net. Nice globalist pogrom under the guise of socialist egalitarianism. Everyone will be treated equally – equally bereft.

Keep chewing.
 
HarryStotle said:
That way we will completely gut the middle class and leave only the super rich and the poor to survive on low wages and the social security net. Nice globalist pogrom under the guise of socialist egalitarianism. Everyone will be treated equally – equally bereft.
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Just mentioning Harry that farming does indeed require some know how if one values their fingers and legs. Now about all this ^^^ YIKES…hahaha…have fun!~
 
All the more reason to make real reforms and stop blaming the immigrants that have no power (or rights) to make any changes.
 
DENNYINMI said:
Just mentioning Harry that farming does indeed require some know how if one values their fingers and legs.
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I live in Texas, in the middle of farm and ranch country.

The local football team gets drafted to bale hay in the summer. It’s better than the gym!

All the dairy workers I’ve seen at the local dairies have been Anglo.

Whenever I see a man on a giant combine or a tractor, it’s generally the farmer, not a farmhand…

Around here, the Mexican laborers who come into our area generally go to the factories. (They get permission to work for 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, or year-round. If they haven’t earned permanent status, they need to leave the country for the other 9/6/3 months before returning for their next round of employment.) When they leave the country, they go to Mexico— to work in the fields in Mexico.

I’m not saying that there’s no seasonal labor anywhere, period. But I’m pointing out that sweeping generalizations are sweeping. 😉
 
13pollitos said:
All the more reason to make real reforms and stop blaming the immigrants that have no power (or rights) to make any changes.
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Why would immigrants have rights to make changes within a country they are not citizens of?

I wouldn’t presume to claim rights to make changes to Mexico or Honduras, would you?

Does global citizenship imply such rights? If so, the Chinese and Indians would appear to have an unfair advantage, assuming they are like-minded.

What exactly are “real reforms?” Is the Constitution not the deciding criterion for reform, if any?

Perhaps the borders ought to be completely sealed until citizens of the country can hammer out a solid position based upon the Constitution?
 
That’s not what I said. Of course they can’t. And no they shouldn’t be allowed to either. But it is why US citizens need to make the changes. Immigrants can’t.
 
Seagull said:
They say all of Southern California is now run by violent Mexican gangs ( drugs / etc )
Jesus said turn the other cheek - but not a blind eye.
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I live in southern California and I can say it is not run by violent Mexican gangs.The prisons and jails are, that’s for sure. Yes, there is a gang problem in lots of so cal but the majority of people live unaffected by it or not even aware of it
 
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Yes, this all makes sense.

We have many immigrants from many countries in our city, and I agree that most of them are here to work, play, worship, and give back to their adopted country. They add a richness to our lives.

And I agree that many of those who are illegally in the country don’t realize it, and would gladly rectify the situation if it doesn’t cost a ton of money and take them away from their jobs and families for long periods of time (even a day away from some jobs is enough to get you written up or worse).

I agree that our CONGRESS needs to stop bickering and nattering and jostling for power, and do the work that we have elected them to do and are paying for them to do–they need to sit down and hammer out a mutually-acceptable (not perfect for one Party!) immigration policy that would create a better way to process those who want to come into the country (including a LARGE holding center that provides a decent and comfortable place for entire families with children to stay while they wait to be processed), and a reasonably-quick and reasonably-priced path to citizenship for those who are already in this country illegally.

A person who is seeking citizenship after being in this country illegally for 6 months or 6 years should NOT have to hire a LAWYER and pay them a handsome fee to earn citizenship! There must be a way that a person seeking citizenship can make an appeal through clergy, doctors, company owners, social workers, etc. without having to cough up bucks and wait for months or even years to hear back. This is the computer age–can’t this process be expedited?!

I personally think that this is what Pres. Trump is trying to get the Congress to do–he is used to being the “CEO” and telling his employees what to do and how fast they have to do it. I don’t think he is racist or anti-immigrant–I think he simply wants to have a policy in place so that our country can be certain that all the people we admit into this country want to be here and want to eventually be American citizens, not a “country within a country.” It has worked until now–ALL Americans have ancestors who immigrated here from some other country, and many of us still retain customs of our “Old Country.” No one expects immigrants to abandon their heritage and forget all their customs, traditions, and language. America is the richer for all this! But we DO want people to be loyal to their new country, which means seeking citizenship if they choose to remain here permanently.

I just wish our Congress would stop fighting, accept the President who was legally elected with a system that has been in place for almost the entire time that the U.S. has existed, and GET TO WORK. If I acted like they do in my hospital, I would be fired. I’m sure Pres. Trump wishes that he could treat Congresspeople like he treated his guests on his Apprentice TV show and tell the, “You’re fired!” I hope that many of their constituents will do that for him in the election next week!
 
“Give me your poor tired, huddled masses yearning to be free” send the soldiers to finish of the multifront war we are enabling in the mideast, and then have them return. No need to mass troops on the border…
 
HarryStotle said:
It can also be argued that countries who declare war and invade other countries are just doing what the migrants are doing
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Except that the invasion by the Americans comes first, and then after the Americans have wrecked the country they invaded, people from those countries seek asylum from the misery and hopelessness created by the Americans who invaded their country.
Did you ever hear of a mass influx of people from Vietnam before the Vietnam war? Did you ever hear of millions of people from Syria and the surrounding areas seeking asylum in Europe before the Americans invaded Iraq and Syria and created a disaster there. And the American invasion of Iraq was under false pretenses. The American invasion of Vietnam was a disaster with the result that thousands of young American soldiers died, but the communists took over anyway.
Why do Americans go around and spend billions of dollars wrecking other countries?
If Americans do not want people seeking asylum in their country, they might want to think about stopping their useless interventions in other countries.
 
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If Values-Voters don’t take the time to vote on Election Day 2018, then you can multiply this caravan by 1,000 because Democrats who demand unvetted open-borders will control Congress.
 
Salmonslayer said:
Dump children into the public school system, add traffic to roads, suppress wage growth, and overall just add more population. Which will then add demand on every aspect of society including housing and medical needs. Which will drive costs up. Resources that belong to citizens and legal residents.
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Truly amazing posts like this show in a Catholic forum. Wow. And sad.
 
HarryStotle said:
My understanding is that claimants for asylum are permitted to enter the country while their case is considered. Then after several years in wait, 94% never show up for their hearing. In the meantime, the issue of birthright citizenship creates an additional factor.
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So that’s actually not true. PolitiFact | Majority of undocumented immigrants show up for court, data shows
HarryStotle said:
Since anyone can claim it, the procedure is deeply flawed.
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Notwithstanding your personal disdain for how Americans conduct this legal process, I will repeat my statement that these asylees are doing nothing illegal.
HarryStotle said:
Can you explain why Caesar Chavez, a farmer worker from Mexico who worked diligently for the rights of Mexican farm laborers, himself guarded the border against an influx of illegals?
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Fun fact: As detailed in your Wikepedia article, Chavez actually supported Ronald Reagan’s comprehensive immigration reform law in 1986 and specifically pushed for the provision that included - horror of all horror - amnesty! A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants : NPR
Salmonslayer said:
Dump children into the public school system,
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So they’re actually not “dumped.” They’re registered and enrolled. The rest of your complaints sound eerily like those population control zealots who love abortion . . .
They’re paying taxes for those schools and roads.
1cthlctrth said:
If Values-Voters don’t take the time to vote on Election Day 2018, then you can multiply this caravan by 1,000 because Democrats who demand unvetted open-borders will control Congress.
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Could you link me to a list of “Democrats who demand unvetted open-borders?”
 
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