CARAVAN heading to The U.S.A ( POLL )

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The Washington Examiner - is my source.
Just type in google search “28 billion dollars illegal immigrants.”
Texas pays 11 billion.
They show a map of the USA and what states pay yearly.
 
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The America-haters and kneeling NFL protesters are kind of wrong about America. Millions of legal and illegal immigrants CHOOSE to come to the UNITED STATES (far more than any country) because the United States is the opposite of evil, racist, and oppressive.
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That doesn’t mean there are no problems that need to be protested and dealt with. Recognizing reality doesn’t make you an “America-hater.”
 
America’s CHURCHES, along with other concerned secular organizations, and possibly even individuals/families of means, need to STEP UP and offer to SPONSOR these people.

Whatever happened to sponsorship of immigrants?

We were members of a (Protestant) church that sponsored 22 people from the Degar nation of Viet Nam (formerly the Montagnard peoples, who were allies of the U.S. during the Viet Nam war).

It was a fantastic experience that involved almost everyone in the church and brought the church together in a way that “Unity Rallies” and “church fellowship” never did.

The Degar that we sponsored were mainly single men, although we also sponsored a family of five (who actually lived with me and Mr. Peeps and our little Peeps for several months).

The refugees came to the U.S. with nothing, and they did not speak English other than “Hello.” They were Christians, so we had that in common.

All of us worked together to teach them how to be self-supporting American citizens. One of our members, a very dull businessman (at least we thought he was dull until then!), turned out to be their hero, as he visited them almost every day and helped them with many “business” type needs, e.g., he was able to persuade the city to bend the rule about multiple people living in the same apartment so that six of the men were able to share one apartment (it still was huge to them compared to what they were used to!).

Here’s my main point, everyone. Within a year, just one year, all of the Degar people were self-sufficient, living with no public aid and no charitable aid, working in jobs that provided them with an adequate living, and comfortable in American ways, including driving. They were inviting our church people over to their houses and apartments for meals, and contributing financially to our church and other charities.

So…my point is, rather than criticizing Pres. Trump and accusing conservatives and Republicans of being cruel, non-Christian, capitalistic, or pure evil–STEP UP and offer to sponsor an individual or family! HELP THEM! Stop expecting “big government” to do all the work and provide the monies.

This, IMO, would demonstrate TRUE CHRISTIAN LOVE and be a witness to the entire world. Not to mention, it would be the lifeline that the refugees need. I agree with the President that some of these people are “bad people” (criminals). But I think that the majority of these people truly are in need of a safe place where they can get a fresh start and have a happy, productive life, and I think that they are being used by people who don’t want Pres. Trump and conservatives to be in authority. The BEST WAY for Christians to respond to this is to cut through the politics and open up our purses, our churches, our homes and our hearts and provide the refugees with the refuge that they are looking for. SPONSORSHIP! It’s goodness and love.
 
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One more thing–if you personally, yes you, are NOT willing to give practical help (money, time, shelter, ESL, legal aid, transportation, jobs, etc.) to the refugees, or to donate sacrificially to those who ARE helping them to become American citizens, then DON’T criticize the President or people who are asking that the refugees enter the U.S. legally!

It’s easy to sit at your desk and gripe about Pres. Trump and his cruelty when you don’t have to open up your wallet or your home, or teach ESL or teach a refugee to drive, or go with them to apply for a job as a dishwasher on a night shift in a hotel or sort through rooms full of winter clothing to find smaller sizes that fit people who aren’t well-fed Americans!

If the refugees don’t receive the kind of hands-on help that I’m describing, there’s a really good chance that they will end up living in abject poverty in an inner city, or in a rural tent-city way off the beaten path. They will never learn enough English to get ahead. Their children will NOT succeed in school. They will be on charitable aid (government and private) for the rest of their lives. They will be ill and wait until it’s too late to seek medical aid. They will never seek citizenship and will be “illegals” for decades. And many will become victims of criminals, and will give in and become criminals themselves; the children especially will be easy pickin’s for powerful street gangs who supply recruits to the big criminal mobs.

Do you call that Christian love??! Allowing fellow humans beings to enter a country and wallow in American “dreams” like animals, while the liberals and movie stars shamelessly use them in attacks on Republicans and conservatives?!

Don’t believe the media! These people are professional story-tellers! They know how to make rape into a weekly television drama series that has unbelievably been on the air for years! They can put a shine on a story that makes it seem that Pres. Trump and those who support him are monsters. Meanwhile, other than Angelina Jolie, most of these “stars,” including the journalists who have “star power”, are doing little or nothing to help the poor people who have no idea that their tragic lives are helping the “reporters” to earn million-plus dollar salaries!

I agree with President Trump that Congress needs to quit fighting and pass practical laws that provide a path for citizenship for refugees! But if you think your way is better–opening up the gates and letting them all walk into the U.S. with no resources and no hope of success unless they are lucky enough to meet up with some nuns who will help them–well…I don’t what to say to that. What I would like to say to that kind of thinking is too uncharitable for CAF.

Again–do something. Sponsor. Or give lots of money to organizations that are willing to sponsor.

And while you’re at it, write your government reps and tell them to stop fighting and get to work to pass sensible laws about immigration and citizenship.
 
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I am glad that more people are being sent to the border to process these people. However, if the idea is to send them all back despite their need for asylum, then the blood of those that are murdered when they are sent back, if this happens, will be on the hands of Jeff Sessions, and Donald Trump, and all here and elsewhere that support sending people to their deaths for their place of birth.

I have a “fear of the Lord” to say some of the things I read here.
 
pnewton said:
However, if the idea is to send them all back despite their need for asylum, then the blood of those that are murdered when they are sent back, if this happens, will be on the hands of Jeff Sessions, and Donald Trump, and all here and elsewhere that support sending people to their deaths for their place of birth.
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You are making the assumption that these individuals in the caravan are truly refugees- a lot of people just don’t buy it.

Assembling, organizing, feeding and fueling this caravan is an expensive proposition, and the timing of the event right before the election would seem to indicate that this whole caravan event is just a cynical ploy to rig the election against President Trump.
 

Honduras reported that 3,433 members of the migrant caravan returned to the country

The head of the Permanent Contingency Commission (Copeco), Lisandro Rosales, indicated that the people arrived after a “humanitarian corridor” was installed.
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The official added that with the help of the Honduran authorities in Guatemala, Mexico, they would enter nine more buses with another 500 people and that the returnees would receive services in authorized centers at the border points between Honduras and Guatemala of Agua Caliente and El Florido. as well as in Omoa and San Pedro Sula (north).
 
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The whole caravan event really reeks in my view, the timing and orchestration particularly.

If President Trump were to abdicate in favor of the Democrats this morning, the caravan would be dispersed by Wednesday afternoon IMO.

A President Clinton or President Biden wouldn’t want to deal with this, so they wouldn’t and the Media would pull back its coverage, men like Soros and Steyer would pull back their financial patronage of it.
 
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And what better way for the truth to be revealed than for the churches of the U.S. to step up and say, “We can sponsor 2 or 4 or a family or 20 men or…”

There are 10,000 in the caravan by some estimates?

Surely there are 10,000 churches in this country who would each be willing to sponsor one of those refugees. Since many are family groups (mom with 2 kids, dad with a son, etc.), less than 10,000 churches would be needed.

IF the caravan is genuine, then everybody wins–the churches are doing what God intends for us to do, the refugees are welcomed by loving people and assimilated into the U.S. and put on the path to become citizens, both political parties as well as the fringe parties have nothing more to fight about (other than the pressure to create laws that will help refugees and “dreamers” to become citizens), and the media has a heart-warming story of love, which may not be as exciting as “Pres. Trump is a monster who should be impeached!”", but it will still attract a lot of viewers and readers.

Happiness for all! This would be such a wonderful thing for all involved!

If the caravan is staged, then the churches will be told, “We don’t need you,” and the churches will respond, “Why not?” and eventually the truth will come out, and perhaps people will learn to be a little more wary of the media and certain political groups who don’t have any love at all, but an agenda of hate.
 
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And what better way for the truth to be revealed than for the churches of the U.S. to step up and say, “We can sponsor 2 or 4 or a family or 20 men or…”
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My guess is that most of the people in the caravan don’t qualify for refugee or asylum status, so isn’t a question getting sponsors for them, but to process and send them back.
 
Augustinian said:
You are making the assumption that these individuals in the caravan are truly refugees- a lot of people just don’t buy it.
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Surely you can read better than that. Do you understand the word “if?” My first line is that I was glad there were more people to process them. I hold hope that this is an honest process, unlike some of the recent shenanigans of the Justice Department.

I made no assumptions, any more than you did when you “guessed” that they do not qualify for refugee or asylum status.

And for the record, I am a Christian, not a Marxist.
 
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A prayer for them from the USCCB Website:

Lord Jesus, when you multiplied the loaves and fishes, you provided more than food for the body, you offered us the gift of yourself, the gift which satisfies every hunger and quenches every thirst! Your disciples were filled with fear and doubt, but you poured out your love and compassion on the migrant crowd, welcoming them as brothers and sisters.

Lord Jesus, today you call us to welcome the members of God’s family who come to our land to escape oppression, poverty, persecution, violence, and war. Like your disciples, we too are filled with fear and doubt and even suspicion. We build barriers in our hearts and in our minds.

Lord Jesus, help us by your grace,
  • To banish fear from our hearts, that we may embrace each of your children as our own brother and sister;
  • To welcome migrants and refugees with joy and generosity, while responding to their many needs;
  • To realize that you call all people to your holy mountain to learn the ways of peace and justice;
  • To share of our abundance as you spread a banquet before us;
  • To give witness to your love for all people, as we celebrate the many gifts they bring.
We praise you and give you thanks for the family you have called together from so many people. We see in this human family a reflection of the divine unity of the one Most Holy Trinity in whom we make our prayer: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.
 
While I don’t agree with the Caravan’s motive to just go to the border and claim asylum, I do think the US bears some responsibility for what has happened in Central America for the last three decades. We wrecked those countries in the 80s with all the funding for guerillas, drug pushers and corrupt officials, just to stop the Commies.

We are sort of reaping what we have sowed. But at the same time, just letting them in would set a precedent that could come to bite us back even harsher. Soon everyone south of us would know that all they’d have to do is storm the border claiming asylum.

We are in a big mess.
 
Augustinian said:
You are making the assumption that these individuals in the caravan are truly refugees- a lot of people just don’t buy it.

Assembling, organizing, feeding and fueling this caravan is an expensive proposition, and the timing of the event right before the election would seem to indicate that this whole caravan event is just a cynical ploy to rig the election against President Trump.
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While all of this clearly looks staged and well funded, wouldn’t this work in Trump’s favor?

Unless he lets them all in and doesn’t truly care about the border.
 
Augustinian said:
The whole caravan event really reeks in my view, the timing and orchestration particularly.
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This thought has occurred to me as well. Or more to the point, the reporting on it seems timed to meet a political end, though if that is the case, it will work in reverse, I bet, and backfire.
 
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pnewton said:
. I hold hope that this is an honest process, unlike some of the recent shenanigans of the Justice Department.
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What makes you think that some of the recent activities of the DOJ were “dishonest shenanigans”?

The criteria for proving a claim of “asylum” status is laid out in law- it isn’t a discretionary or subjective process.
 
Good question. The only answer I have off the top of my head is that it takes a long time, there’s lots of red tape, and it’s very expensive.
 
Thanks.
I’ll go with some of the article’s findings, that it’s probably not an entirely accurate estimate, but there’s no way of knowing for sure. So it could be that much $, or maybe it’s not that much $.

I looked up California’s state budget, which is a shocker. $201 billion. 😳
 
Wouldn’t it be cool if we set up a treatment center, where they shower, get clean clothes, a meal, information on how to apply for a visa and transportation home? It would cost less that what will be spent running them off. If more come, which they will, it may have to be a permanent ministry staffed by volunteers for the most part. If I win the billion dollars, maybe I can make that happen.
 
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