Card. Burke: "Biden is not a Catholic in good standing..."

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phil19034 said:
A very large percentage of lay Catholics don’t believe in the Real Presence. I would not be surprised if a percentage of priests and bishops didn’t believe either 😦
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I don’t think its a large number, but I think its reasonable to believe is greater than zero as evidenced by priests who leave Church, or who write things that deny truths of the Church. (I had to write a paper for a theology class last semester where we critiqued a priest’s on-line blog, where he was denying the inerrancy of Scripture).
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Actually, the Pharisees are those who are so rigid, they ignore mercy and compassion as Jesus taught. They’re no different than the Pharisees of Jesus day.
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(Matthew 10:34-36) - “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace , but a sword. 35"For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.”

Jesus was VERY RIGID! Out of the 38 parables Christ tells in the Gospel, 21 of them refer to Hell…RIGIDLY.
 
I noted the irony when I saw this topic that Biden is not holding any office as well. Neither are representing or have authority over any particular area. Just an interesting side note.

FYI, he clearly knows canon law, which is why he was careful to word his answers the way he did. He is no doubt as well aware of his own limitations, namely, he is not any sort of spiritual counselor or confessor to Mr. Biden. His points should not be dismissed lightly, if understood in the proper context and with some caveats. Personally, I am not worried much about it. Biden may never hold office again, and if he does, I am almost positive he will be a one term president, with little reason to cater to his party if elected, except where he agrees with them.
 
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“This Catholic doesn’t fully adhere to church doctrine, so you should instead vote for an adulterous protestant who locks catholic children in cages.”

Insisting that True Catholics only vote republican, or that less than 100% agreement with the church on social issues invalidates baptism, only harms the Church.
 
People go to any extent to rationalize voting for abortion but the line must be drawn at infanticide now, allowing born babies to die. This goes too far. Nothing compares to that wrong and that is dastardly. Let’s not forget, this is what some Democrats support now and I’ve said before, voting Democratic is also like voting for Planned Parenthood. If one has voted for pro-abortion politicians in the past, I might not be so quick to criticize others. To me, that’s pretty bad in itself. Of course, the above part about cages, constructed during the Obama years, is a distortion.
BornInMarch said:
“This Catholic doesn’t fully adhere to church doctrine, so you should instead vote for an adulterous protestant who locks catholic children in cages.”

Insisting that True Catholics only vote republican, or that less than 100% agreement with the church on social issues invalidates baptism, only harms the Church.
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Voting for promoters of infanticide which some Democrats seem to be for, is worse than these accusations. Democrats have nothing on Trump, since their platform is abhorrent.

By this logic, bringing in race and creed, Democrats are calling for Catholic babies to be aborted.
 
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fide said:
Listen to the man with a servant-heart, seeking to do good for the sake of the good, the man who does not need to rule but will, for the sake of the good.
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This is your description of Trump? “The man with a servant-heart”? I find it hard to believe that you actually listen to what he writes and says if this is your belief…
As I’ve said many times before…I get voting for him for the sake the critical abortion issue…I continue to be baffled by the cult of personality around him that makes out as some sort of living saint…despite his constant crude comments not in keeping with Catholic charity…his objectively adulterous union…his public confession that he has never asked God for forgiveness and sees no need to do so…his vulgar, disgusting comments about sex and women…the many lies and mispeaks he’s been caught in time and time again…his questionable past business practices and legal issues…
Again…by all means vote for him if you believe he is the best option for fighting abortion…but why this need to believe, contrary to ALL evidence available to us all, that he is a living saint anointed by God to save the world?

Never in my life have I supported a politician to the degree I see American Catholics supporting this man. I can’t imagine a scenario in which I would ever get behind a fallible, sinful man to this degree…just don’t get it.
 
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fide said:
Listen to the man with a servant-heart, seeking to do good for the sake of the good, the man who does not need to rule but will, for the sake of the good.
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Totally agree. Trump comes under severe attack daily but his attitude seems to be “Forgive them father, for they know not what they do”, He does not necessarily have to go through all of this.

As John 15:18 reminds us, Jesus said "“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.”
 
Another “Trump is like Christ” post… with so many faithful Catholics looking at Trump’s actions and words and saying “He is so Christ-like!” I’m starting to conclude that you guys are in complete denial… OR I have no clue what Catholicism, charity, or the gospel is really about. If Trump is Christ-like, and you guys are right, my understanding of the faith is wrong…

Again…no problem with people voting for Trump because they think he’s the best bet for fighting abortion. Totally get that. Its the “he is all about forgiveness just like Christ”, “he is so persecuted, just like Our Lord”, “he has the heart of a servant”, “he was raised up by the Lord to save America” stuff that is starting to get to me…because either you guys are in denial…or, as I said, my understanding of the faith is wrong…because I see what Trump has done over the years, I hear what he says…and it doesn’t scream “Christ-like” to me…
 
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twf said:
Never in my life have I supported a politician to the degree I see American Catholics supporting this man. I can’t imagine a scenario in which I would ever get behind a fallible, sinful man to this degree…just don’t get it.
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Very seriously I suggest - or ask - of you, to seek to see him as God sees him. Trump sees something in America that many Americans do not see - a past “greatness” that many saw and lived in “the greatest generation” - the dark days of Stalin, and Hitler, and the huge war machine of Japan in those days. There was a simple “greatness” in America, an immediate willingness of self-giving, a goodness, that we lost in the decades post-war. America became the hope of many of the poor, “yearning to breathe free” around the world. We lost much of that, in self-centered and godless materialism. Sorry - I digress.

His children saw it in him - and see it in him - his wife saw it in him, and sees it in him. Do you see and hear their advocacy for him? It is deep. He wants to fix this country, and make it “great again.” He sees some of the essentials needed for that, and he is willing to work for that goal 24/7, against an army of Trump-haters that has been devoted to one and only one life-goal since he first announced his candidacy: block him, fight him, destroy him at any cost.

Consider his accomplishments thus far, in spite of the “derangement” of his enemies. It is remarkable. Three nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize! Progress toward peace in the Middle East! Rebuilding a U.S. manufacturing infrastructure so we are not so dependent on and vulnerable to China, who wants to replace American leadership in the world. Actual economic advance for Black Americans, and Hispanics. And on and on. He defends LIFE; he defends Religious Liberty; he defends the 2nd Amendment and thus self-protection/defence for us all. And so on. He sees the horror of socialism - which is the new ideology of the Dems, who are anti-Life, anti-religion, anti-guns, anti- marriage and family, and so on.

The choice is clear to me, and urgent, and crucially important. This may be our last chance; socialism/communism is advancing; Islam will advance - if America falls, or even blinks, China is near ready to pounce.
 
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twf said:
Another “Trump is like Christ” post… with so many faithful Catholics looking at Trump’s actions and words and saying “He is so Christ-like!” I’m starting to conclude that you guys are in complete denial… OR I have no clue what Catholicism, charity, or the gospel is really about. If Trump is Christ-like, and you guys are right, my understanding of the faith is completely and absolutely wrong…

Again…no problem with people voting for Trump because they think he’s the best bet for fighting abortion. Totally get that. Its the “he is all about forgiveness just like Christ”, “he is so persecuted, just like Our Lord”, “he has the heart of a servant”, “he was raised up by the Lord to save America” stuff that is starting to get to me…because either you guys are completely in denial…or, as I said, my understanding of the faith is completely wrong…because I see what Trump has done over the years, I hear what he says…and it doesn’t scream “Christ-like” to
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Ok, I will gladly admit it and say it is possible the USA destabilized the Middle East, so Trump came in and ISIS has been beaten back.

Despite your insinuation that others do not know of what they speak, maybe you don’t.

Christians have been saved over there. It is not perfect but it is something. Your way, being against Trump can easily be seen to mean more Christians would have been killed or persecuted

And in saying Christians, I do mean Christians and the other groups there, Kurds, Yazidis and so on. So, contrary to your evaluations, I respectfully do not see your point-of- view as having the answers at all.
 
twf said:
Another “Trump is like Christ” post… with so many faithful Catholics looking at Trump’s actions and words and saying “He is so Christ-like!” I’m starting to conclude that you guys are in complete denial… OR I have no clue what Catholicism, charity, or the gospel is really about. If Trump is Christ-like, and you guys are right, my understanding of the faith is completely and absolutely wrong…
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No, you do not hear what I am trying to say. I don’t blame you - it is necessary to see beyond and into him, to see him as God sees him and is using him. Thus I urge you to pray about this. Don’t judge from the surfaces of things; look into them.
 
Victoria33 said:
Voting for promoters of infanticide which some Democrats seem to be for, is worse than these accusations. Democrats have nothing on Trump, since their platform is abhorrent.
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We’ve been through several conservative administrations and none of them overturned Roe v Wade. For most of them protecting the unborn takes a backseat to political position, and the current president seems to care less about this issue than any prior president from his party.
 
twf said:
I see what Trump has done over the years…
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He can be crude, and unpleasant, but what he has done in the past is irrelevant to the job he has done as president. His personality aside, the policies he has implemented have been largely quite beneficial, and compared to what the other side proposes to implement, it’s an easy choice. Nor is this just about abortion, about which the difference between the parties is stark, but his economic and foreign policies are also significantly better.
BornInMarch said:
“This Catholic doesn’t fully adhere to church doctrine, so you should instead vote for an adulterous protestant who locks catholic children in cages.”
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I put this in the same category as the medieval charges that Catholics sacrificed babies as part of their dark rites.
 
Ender said:
I put this in the same category as the medieval charges that Catholics sacrificed babies as part of their dark rites.
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On the main point, the thing I accused president Trump of doing is verified by reputable news sources. You can’t reasonably deny that he separated children - most of whom came from predominantly Catholic nations - from their parents.



And as a quibble, there was no “medieval” accusation of Catholics preforming satanic rituals. The middle ages were before the reformation so there was nobody to make such accusations.
 
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Right, but i wasn’t responding to the general sentiment of “We should vote Trump because of this or that issue”. I was responding to the “he has the Lord’s forgiving heart” “he has the servant heart just like Christ” “he’s the only man who can save Christendom” mentality… and before you say no one is saying that…go back through the thread (and other threads).
 
Ender said:
I put this in the same category as the medieval charges that Catholics sacrificed babies as part of their dark rites.
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That is an odd category, and an odd time period, since the Catholic Church was the Church then. Perhaps you meant the Reformation?

But hey, you get to cast your vote according to your own reckoning, as does everyone else.
 
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TMC said:
Yes, Cardinal Burke was Prefect for a time, but was removed by Pope Francis. He was then assigned to the Order of Malta until the Pope removed all of his duties in that role.
Shortly after that, he was reappointed as a member of the Signatura, but without any of his previous leadership roles or responsibilities. One can draw one’s own conclusions as to why his career has moved as it has.
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I failed to understand what you have been trying to say here. Is Cardinal Burke somehow less of a bishop/Cardinal because Pope Francis chose someone else for the Prefect position? Has there been any evidence the Cardinal Burke did anything wrong—other than the fact that Pope Francis wanted someone else who shares his view for the position? All popes had the right and the obligation to chose anyone for any position in the Curia. This has been done for over 2,000 years. This change does not imply wrong doings on the part of those who were replaced.

You should be reminded that, when Pope Francis was a priest in Argentina, he himself was basically confined to a position and a place of no responsibility—an equivalence to an exile. Until Pope John Paul II tuned that around.


Mind you that Cardinal Burke is a bishop in good standing in the Church. He is well loved and widely respected. Cardinal Burke has been a tremendous shepherd and has been a terrific defender of the Catholic faith.
 
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twf said:
Right, but i wasn’t responding to the general sentiment of “We should vote Trump because of this or that issue”. I was responding to the “he has the Lord’s forgiving heart” “he has the servant heart just like Christ” “he’s the only man who can save Christendom” mentality… and before you say no one is saying that…go back through the thread (and other threads).
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The burden of proof that these quotes that you cite are actually quotes of Trump supporters (and not sarcastic paraphrases of Trump opponents trying to ridicule Trump supporters) - the burden of providing links to every quote you cite, is on you.

Will you do this research that you OWE, or will you abandon it? Or probably to save time, you could just retract the quotes as extravagant overreach on your part.
 
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