Cardinal Bernardin sex abuse?

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Absurd. Trying to smear him because he was “progressive”?
 
If the documents do exist then we have another cardinal covering up evidence and lying about it. It doesn’t matter who reports about it. Of course these groups are the only groups really digging into these matters, except for the authorities apparently now.

If this is true then we owe them a debt of gratitude.

If they knowingly reported something falsely then they should get our contempt.

I know which side I put my money on but reserve judgement til the truth is more known, if ever.
 
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Feel free to provide some supporting evidence for both of those claims.
 
I think you’d do well to read and consider Church Militant’s reporting on both matters, which many people object to on the basis of style rather than substance.

“We’ve had enough exhortations to be silent. Cry out with a thousand tongues - I see the world is rotten because of silence.”

St. Catherine of Siena
 
The Archdiocese of Detroit, in which Church Militant is located, has condemned them and even forced them to remove the word ‘Catholic’ from their name.

Church Militant rejects Church documents binding on the faithful (e.g. changes to the Catechism on the death penalty, Amoris Laetitia) and spends its entire time criticising the hierarchy, when its own Archdiocese has objected to the existence of the ‘apostolate’.

Church Militant operates despite opposition from the Church. It should really put itself into line with Church teaching and thus become an actual apostolate approved by the Archdiocese, or it should dissolve.
 
I have no issue with the original poster’s question which I am sure they posted out of curiosity. I am not frustrated with you.

Church Militant stated Pope Francis teaches heresy which is a ridiculous statement. This would therefore make him a heretic. The Holy Father is orthodox but simply takes a different approach to some of his predecessors. He has condemned the moral evils of abortion, contraception, homosexuality, communion for the divorced and ‘remarried’ (who are actually living in an adulterous relationship) and other issues.

It is not up to laypeople to investigate the clergy. Church Militant has not ‘exposed’ anything.

The Catholic Church is the one true Church and it is up to the clergy to ensure that doctrines are being correctly taught.

I am very orthodox and express worry when some bishops, priests (such as Fr James Martin) and laypeople oppose Church doctrine.

I do not blindly follow Church doctrine at all. If you do not accept some Church documents then you are not supporting Church doctrine.
 
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So the Cardinal chosen by the Vatican to head the meeting of Bishops last February on abuse crisis allegedly covered up documents of satanic sexual abuse by another Cardinal? And people wonder why Catholics are outraged?
 
Churchmilitant claims they turned over the documents in their possession to the Attorney General of Illinois. I think these allegations deserve an investigation, because Bernardin was for decades probably the most powerful Catholic prelate in the United States, and if these accusations are indeed true, it is cause for alarm.
 
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So the Cardinal chosen by the Vatican to head the meeting of Bishops last February on abuse crisis allegedly covered up documents of satanic sexual abuse by another Cardinal? And people wonder why Catholics are outrage
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Allegedly covered up.
Perhaps we should hold the outrage until we have some facts. Something having been in a novel isn’t proof.
 
Every allegation of sexual abuse deserves a to be looked into fairly. Even if the claims are false nothing should be with held from the courts
 
There have been rumours about Cardinal Bernardin for decades. Here is an article from 2004 about it:

https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otr.cfm?id=2090

One of Mccarrick’s accusers also recently accused Cardinal Bernardin of sexual abuse but it hasn’t received much attention, and probably won’t since he is deceased. We’ll probably never know for sure, but the long enduring nature of these rumors are eerily similar to the McCarrick situation and in my mind lend string credence to his accuser’s story.
 
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One of Mccarrick’s accusers also recently accused Cardinal Bernardin of sexual abuse but it hasn’t received much attention, and probably won’t since he is deceased.
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Yeah, James Grein.

As for Cardinal Joseph Bernardin, he was brought up in the Saul Alinsky documentary A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing.
 
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I also wonder which Catholic/Catholic organization he is detracting here. But it can’t be Church Militant, as Michael Voris has won Emmy’s for his investigative reporting, when he was a secular news investigative reporter, that is. And he was sued many times, but nothing stuck, because he gets his facts right. 1P5 is a good organization, too. I don’t know anything about Tosatti.
 
Church Militant alleges to have documents made available from whistle blowers.
 
catholic03 wrote: “… It is not up to laypeople to investigate the clergy…”

I don’t know, I could be misunderstanding you, but what you say here doesn’t sound right to me. What if a bad clergyman were like, grooming and habitually abusing children, and their bishop was told and didn’t do anything about it (or sent them to a another church, exposing them to more children) - if a lay person knew about it, shouldn’t they try to say something, or make it known so that the bishop would be forced to do something about it?

If he were to make it known, he might have to investigate to be quite sure he had his facts right. Even if he knew quite well enough for himself that children exposed to him were in danger, knowing well enough for himself would not be enough for the skeptics. He would have to get hard facts. And in order to do so, would need to investigate. If the motive were to protect children and vulnerable people from abuse, wouldn’t that be a good reason?

Or, it seems like you are implying here that no action be taken against any clergy no matter WHAT they do - even if innocents suffer by one not doing anything? Even if MORE innocents would suffer because no one else is exposing it and it will therefore continue (because child abusers DON’T QUIT on their own, so say experts).

I am glad Voris exposes things that would otherwise be hidden. It’s like a festering wound that needs to be exposed to the light and cleaned. He is using his God-given gifts (investigative reporting) to serve the church, IMO.

I think my opinion is reasonable. Do you?
 
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Could someone move this thread to the Catholic News forum?

Unless it’s fiction, in which case leave it here in Popular Media.

Thanks.
 
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