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Finn
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Is your position that CM have fabricated the Bernardin story?
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CapitalistCatholic
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I for one believe in CM’s claims. They’re correct on most things.
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Eliza10
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Hi Finn, I just tried to send you a message but I get “You must select a valid user” and it won’t send. Are you not a valid user? : D I notice your profile is hidden. Eliza10
[I have not used the forum very much since it went to the black format].
[I have not used the forum very much since it went to the black format].
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Eliza10
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The question I was asking Finn, which anyone could please answer, is: why does this thread say: This topic will automatically close in an hour"?
As I have not used the forum as much since the new black format began, I don’t know how things work around here now, and that is why i am asking. You can answer here or PM me. Thanks.
As I have not used the forum as much since the new black format began, I don’t know how things work around here now, and that is why i am asking. You can answer here or PM me. Thanks.
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Finn
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Hi Eliza. I’m a valid user as far as I know - not sure why you couldn’t get a message to me.
Re the thread closing - I’m not really sure how this works. My assumption is that moderators sometimes close a thread early for their own prudential reasons or perhaps it’s automatic and triggered by specific topics or poster behaviour. It can be frustrating.
Re the thread closing - I’m not really sure how this works. My assumption is that moderators sometimes close a thread early for their own prudential reasons or perhaps it’s automatic and triggered by specific topics or poster behaviour. It can be frustrating.
catholic03
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I can not speak for Church Militant. I can not know whether:
A) They may have legitimate evidence, quite unlikely.
B) They think they have legitimate evidence but actually do not.
I do not think they have fabricated it, but perhaps they have exploited certain evidence.
I do not think that Cardinal Bernardin is guilty, as I do not think that at this moment we have evidence to say he is.
A) They may have legitimate evidence, quite unlikely.
B) They think they have legitimate evidence but actually do not.
I do not think they have fabricated it, but perhaps they have exploited certain evidence.
I do not think that Cardinal Bernardin is guilty, as I do not think that at this moment we have evidence to say he is.
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otrrl
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I sent a letter to the FBI investigating the situation in Pennsylvania regarding a bishop, who as it turns out, had already passed away. I don’t need to investigate the matter, I lived through a certain incident and I reported to the investigating agency.
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Eliza10
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Honestly, maybe you mean: “I don’t want to believe we have evidence about Bernardin’s actions. I don’t want to know.” Because the evidence presented by CM is pretty damning. Sick and sad. And CM are fastidious in getting their facts correct.
catholic03
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Please, stay away from Church Militant.
They deviate from the truth of Church doctrine. Their own Archbishop has tried to disband them and stop their work. They are not an actual apostolate as they have no approval from their Archbishop. They do not respect Church doctrine or the magesterium, as they oppose doctrines they see as problematic.
They called on our Holy Father to resign the Petrine Ministry. All they do is nitpick at topics because they have nothing else to do.
Church Militant is dangerous to souls as it deviates from the truthful teaching of the Church.
They deviate from the truth of Church doctrine. Their own Archbishop has tried to disband them and stop their work. They are not an actual apostolate as they have no approval from their Archbishop. They do not respect Church doctrine or the magesterium, as they oppose doctrines they see as problematic.
They called on our Holy Father to resign the Petrine Ministry. All they do is nitpick at topics because they have nothing else to do.
Church Militant is dangerous to souls as it deviates from the truthful teaching of the Church.
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angel12
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Of course, that 's not what he said at all.
catholic03
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Thank you.
I think we should behave on these forums just as we would if meeting in person…I do not think Eliza10 would throw accusations in my face if we met in person.
I think we should behave on these forums just as we would if meeting in person…I do not think Eliza10 would throw accusations in my face if we met in person.
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Eliza10
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catholic03, I am sure you are sincere, but I think you are sincerely wrong. I also did not want to believe what Voris had to say at first, and I did not like his tone. I like peaceful things. But I also like truth. And after I watched TnT interview Voris, I had a clearer picture of the truth of who Voris is and what he does. Not all Archbishops or infallible in all of their decisions, as we all know now. Bishops who invite exorcists into their diocese to bring the devil IN? It’s sick but these things have happened. Satan worshipers in the office of the bishop? This too has happened.
So because bishops are not without error in everything they do, it is okay to use our minds God gave us, and discernment He gives us through the Holy Spirit.
I also did not like Voris’ stridency. But one can get strident when one is concerned about the abuse of the innocent and the loss of souls. Those are the things that motivate Voris to get strident.
So because bishops are not without error in everything they do, it is okay to use our minds God gave us, and discernment He gives us through the Holy Spirit.
I also did not like Voris’ stridency. But one can get strident when one is concerned about the abuse of the innocent and the loss of souls. Those are the things that motivate Voris to get strident.
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angel12
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Thinking someone is wrong is one thing; we all have the right to disagree. But you claimed he actually thinks something other than what he said. That’s an entirely different thing.
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Lavenderson
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Church Militant is doing a great job and every Catholic should tune in to them.
catholic03
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The Church is here to guide us. Those who openly disregard the words of an Archbishop are defying the Church.
Church Militant is dangerous as it leads people to a distrust in the Church hierarchy, not a good thing.
The Archdiocese has not spoken about Cardinal Bernardin. I think he was a good Archbishop, although I disagreed with the fact he had a homosexual choir sing at his requiem mass, for example.
However, he consistently opposed the homosexual agenda, abortion, euthanasia and other moral evils. His mother died two years after him and she was said to have adored him and vice versa.
He was clearly a genuine, orthodox man. Until I have evidence otherwise from a reliable source I will not believe these accusations.
Church Militant is dangerous as it leads people to a distrust in the Church hierarchy, not a good thing.
The Archdiocese has not spoken about Cardinal Bernardin. I think he was a good Archbishop, although I disagreed with the fact he had a homosexual choir sing at his requiem mass, for example.
However, he consistently opposed the homosexual agenda, abortion, euthanasia and other moral evils. His mother died two years after him and she was said to have adored him and vice versa.
He was clearly a genuine, orthodox man. Until I have evidence otherwise from a reliable source I will not believe these accusations.
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Eliza10
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I said, “Maybe you mean…”. Only he can say if he meant it or not. You, like me, are supposing…Eliza10:
Thinking someone is wrong is one thing; we all have the right to disagree. But you claimed he actually thinks something other than what he said. That’s an entirely different thing.
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JimR-OCDS
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Church Militant should never be believed.
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angel12
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There was no reason to “suppose” he meant he “doesn’t want to know.”
catholic03
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Some of their older videos on topics of doctrine are good. But 90% of their work is dangerous to souls. Stay away from them, you will learn to distrust the clergy and question Church authority.
I say this as a Catholic with a conservative interpretation of Vatican II and as someone who believes in doctrinal orthodoxy.
Church Militant refuse to submit to authority, which has ordered them to shut down.
They are dangerous and a danger to souls. They have nothing to do so they just nitpick at the same topics.
I say this as a Catholic with a conservative interpretation of Vatican II and as someone who believes in doctrinal orthodoxy.
Church Militant refuse to submit to authority, which has ordered them to shut down.
They are dangerous and a danger to souls. They have nothing to do so they just nitpick at the same topics.
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