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Marcial MacielIf that is a reference to bxvi
You should be ashamed.
Marcial MacielIf that is a reference to bxvi
You should be ashamed.
For that you should be even more ashamed.Marcial Maciel
Funny then that it hasn’t ‘updated’ its site review:From Catholic Culture on Lepanto…Chaput is also usually pretty reliable.
The back story is that the self proclaimed Catholic watchdog Lepanto, prepared an unsolicited report and submitted to Cardinal Burke directly… you can easily find evidence of this from Lepanto itself or a simple google search. So it appears this whole ordeal didn’t even originate from inside of the sovereign Knights organization.
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25955
From Chaput:
The Lepanto Institute has proven once again that it is not interested in presenting information in any useful way. Neither the World Meeting of Families—Philadelphia 2015 nor any of its leadership supports Planned Parenthood. Lepanto’s sole intention is to create division, confusion, and conflict within the Church. Actions of that nature run contrary to Christian tradition. Their reports are not to be taken seriously.
That is a pretty serious and forthright condemnation
My personal opinion is that by dragging the already closed condom issue back up, Lepanto has once again prove that it is not interested in presenting information in a useful way…
I have no idea what any of this isFunny then that it hasn’t ‘updated’ its site review:
Website Review: The Lepanto Institute
A review based on: lepantoinstitute.org/
Free eBook: Moral Issues
Description
The Lepanto Institute for the Restoration of All Things in Christ is a research and education organization dedicated to the defense of the Catholic Church against assaults from without as well as from within. Whether in the form of armies, heretics, or traitors, the Church has always faced enemies seeking Her destruction. Today, the Church faces all three.
The Lepanto Institute was created to present the facts regarding organizations that claim the name Catholic or even Christian, but are acting in opposition to the teachings of our Blessed Lord and His Holy and Immaculate Church. Sadly, organizations like Catholic Relief Services, the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, the Catholic Health Association and many others are giving aid and comfort to the enemies of Christ. Even worse, dissident and apostate Catholics in politics and other prominent arenas are giving a false witness to the faith by claiming to be Catholic while promoting abortion, contraception and homosexuality. As a remedy to this grave situation, the purpose of the Lepanto Institute is to encourage recourse to the Holy Rosary, particularly offered for bishops and priests, while presenting the facts on individuals and institutions such as these.
Review Ratings what do these ratings mean?
First Evaluated: 06/08/2016
1.Fidelity: Excellent
2.Resources: Good
3.Useability: Excellent
Strengths
•News Room (not updated) Resources
•Research Resources Example(s)
•Blog Resources
Weaknesses
None Reported.
Categories
Not Yet Categorized
Well, Catholic Culture does a review of web sites. The Lepanto Institute is one of those sites reviewed. It was reviewed last in June of 2016. As per above, the website was found excellent in fidelity, and with no ‘weaknesses’ reported. Seems like if it is so terrible, it must have had to change pretty quickly between June and December. . .I have no idea what any of this is
It sounds to me that they don’t invest to much in reviewing these websites.Well, Catholic Culture does a review of web sites. The Lepanto Institute is one of those sites reviewed. It was reviewed last in June of 2016. As per above, the website was found excellent in fidelity, and with no ‘weaknesses’ reported. Seems like if it is so terrible, it must have had to change pretty quickly between June and December. . .
They also give LifeSiteNews a positive review as well. As they do with Catholic Answers.
Take it up with the webmaster. But it seems to me that if you’re using that same site to support your contention, you have to consider what it says about the Lepanto Institute with the same credibility. You can’t have it both ways.It sounds to me that they don’t invest to much in reviewing these websites.
Catholic Culture reviews, of late, have become a little “slanted to the right”; they’ve given glowing reviews to sites like LifeSiteNews, Lepanto Institute and Les Femmes, who would probably have gotten “yellow” ratings in the past. The fault line seems to be “Amoris Laetitia”, as well as one of their columnists taking Pope Francis’ comments personally and feeling that he was being singled out as a “doctor of the law”, etc., etc. Their current position is “recognize and resist, but don’t be too blatant about it.”When LI runs stories like Zach King it’s not a credible source.
I would not think it a lack of charity that people do not trust the Pope enough to know more than us about the situation, or the bishops in which these unapproved lay groups operate. The above review is actually more disturbing. One simply does not set himself up as the independent inquisitor against Mother Church.Why would we judge that?
I trust the cardinal knows more than us about the situation
Where is the charity?
All of these polemics, and esoteric controversies, really make me long for, and more greatly appreciate the virtue of Humility. I believe some of these Prelates would gain great insight and perspective if they would spend some time at the Parish level. Then they would come into direct contact with the struggle we “living stones” encounter: Parish consolodations, school closings, poor Mass attendance, absent dynamic catechesis, etc. The structural foundation of the Roman Catholic Church is buttressed by its Parishes. There are cracks appearing at this level which must be viewed with grave concern. The Church needs rebuilding at its base, not at its apex.
I agree. Pope Francis is ushering in an accompanying Church. Not that it has not always been that, but that mercy got lost for long periods in favor of legalism. Hence the Pope’s frequent criticism of legalism.All of these polemics, and esoteric controversies, really make me long for, and more greatly appreciate the virtue of Humility. I believe some of these Prelates would gain great insight and perspective if they would spend some time at the Parish level. Then they would come into direct contact with the struggle we “living stones” encounter: Parish consolodations, school closings, poor Mass attendance, absent dynamic catechesis, etc. The structural foundation of the Roman Catholic Church is buttressed by its Parishes. There are cracks appearing at this level which must be viewed with grave concern. The Church needs rebuilding at its base, not at its apex.
On what authority do you claim to know where the Spirit is leading the Church and why would your opinion, as an unaffiliated, have any bearing on what bishops and cardinals should do?I agree. Pope Francis is ushering in an accompanying Church. Not that it has not always been that, but that mercy got lost for long periods in favor of legalism. Hence the Pope’s frequent criticism of legalism.
Just as the lay faithful need to be accompanied, so too priests and bishops. I think Pope Francis is being merciful in allowing discernment to develop around and the footnote. The Pope stated in the Scalfari interview from November last year “This is the bottom line result, the defacto appraisals are entrusted to the confessors, but at the end of faster or slower paths, all the divorced who ask will be admitted to Communion.”
This is where the Spirit is leading the Pope, but he is not imposing it but letting bishops discern it. Eventually it seems likely that the Pope, in union with the bishops, will make this a defined part of the understanding of divorce/remarriage and the Eucharist. Of the deposit of faith.
The cardinals and others who have problems with AL right now should, IMO, spend some time at the parish level - as you say - and walk with divorced and civilly remarried Catholics. Experience their pain at not being able to receive the Eucharist. Many, after that experience, will - I think - come to see the mercy of AL and fully embrace it as many bishops have already done.
That is a good point: to get to the heart of this controversy, one must be steeped in the Church’s clear and consistent teaching on this subject, from the Gospels to Familiaris Consortio.On what authority do you claim to know where the Spirit is leading the Church and why would your opinion, as an unaffiliated, have any bearing on what bishops and cardinals should do?
I think it is possible to have an intelligent opinion on such matters. For example, if I were to believe America is becoming more sexualized, I would not need an authority for that opinion. I might need to point to particulars to back it up, if I ever had any desire to persuade someone. Likewise, a person can have an opinion based on the direction the Church has moved, over time do get a general idea of where the Holy Spirit is leading the Church. One does not need authority to have an opinion on the active history one is living.On what authority do you claim to know where the Spirit is leading the Church and why would your opinion, as an unaffiliated, have any bearing on what bishops and cardinals should do?
That’s entirely subjective and untrue. Were the pope to die tonight and a new pope named who disavowed AL, where would the Spirit be guiding the church at that point?I think it is possible to have an intelligent opinion on such matters. For example, if I were to believe America is becoming more sexualized, I would not need an authority for that opinion. I might need to point to particulars to back it up, if I ever had any desire to persuade someone. Likewise, a person can have an opinion based on the direction the Church has moved, over time do get a general idea of where the Holy Spirit is leading the Church. One does not need authority to have an opinion on the active history one is living.
People should stop prognosticating or things will definitely get worse.We can observe, not prognosticate. Well, we can prognosticate but shouldn’t.
Pope names an ‘exclusive spokesman’ to Order of Malta, no mentions of Cardinal Burke
I has several points of logic and grammar. First, I do not know that something can be both subjective and untrue. Second, opinions need not be subjective. A scientific opinion, for example, can rely on evidence and be a theory. It may eventually be valid or invalid, but at the time, not true or untrue.That’s entirely subjective and untrue. Were the pope to die tonight and a new pope named who disavowed AL, where would the Spirit be guiding the church at that point?
We can observe, not prognosticate. Well, we can prognosticate but shouldn’t. Nor should anybody be telling the bishops how they should think and reflect.