Cardinal Burke: be devoted to the liturgy, study the Catechism

[estesbob]

This…Pope Francis has invited discussion as to pastoral care, not doctrinal change. If we see change in a way that is contrary to Jesus’ teachings, adultery, then you will see Burke and MANY others do more than speak out. Truth does not change, divorce and remarriage is adultery; source, see Jesus. To admit a person living in adultery to communion, endorses that sin as normal and acceptable. That will not happen without a great schism because it would be untrue.

Now, as I have stated many times, there are issues to discuss, annulment process, marriage preparation and catechesis improvements about marriage, etc. That can change but within the confines of doctrine.

Or it could be he is going to suggest changes to annulment procedures.

 

[LordHaveMercy]

This…Pope Francis has invited discussion as to pastoral care, not doctrinal change. If we see change in a way that is contrary to Jesus’ teachings, adultery, then you will see Burke and MANY others do more than speak out. Truth does not change, divorce and remarriage is adultery; source, see Jesus. To admit a person living in adultery to communion, endorses that sin as normal and acceptable. That will not happen without a great schism because it would be untrue.

Now, as I have stated many times, there are issues to discuss, annulment process, marriage preparation and catechesis improvements about marriage, etc. That can change but within the confines of doctrine.

It seems odd that you say the Pope has invited discussion. It seems that, when a Cardinal’s contributions to the discussion do not follow the Holy Father’s plans, that Cardinal is demoted and reassigned to a lower position. Additionally, when groups of Cardinals research and compile historical writings and exegesis supporting a viewpoint, their writings are censored. Seems difficult to say that anybody is encouraging discussion.

 

[Lapey]

It seems odd that you say the Pope has invited discussion. It seems that, when a Cardinal’s contributions to the discussion do not follow the Holy Father’s plans, that Cardinal is demoted and reassigned to a lower position. Additionally, when groups of Cardinals research and compile historical writings and exegesis supporting a viewpoint, their writings are censored. Seems difficult to say that anybody is encouraging discussion.

To my understanding Cardinal Burke is still an influential bishop and prince of the Church, how was he demoted for his disobedience which you are implying? How is my stating fact odd?

 

[Lapey]

It seems odd that you say the Pope has invited discussion. It seems that, when a Cardinal’s contributions to the discussion do not follow the Holy Father’s plans, that Cardinal is demoted and reassigned to a lower position. Additionally, when groups of Cardinals research and compile historical writings and exegesis supporting a viewpoint, their writings are censored. Seems difficult to say that anybody is encouraging discussion.

Another point, do you think it unusual for bishops to disagree? Please refer to Acts 15. I believe you’ll see several bishops disagreeing on the requirements placed on the Gentiles to follow Mosaic Law. Its not new.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

I have read articles in “Rorate Caeli” that have seemed insulting to, dismissive of, disrespectful toward, and condescending toward, Pope Francis, who they seem to enjoy referring to as “Bergoglio.” I found it disturbing that Cardinal Burke would choose such a forum.

 

[Megan7]

God bless Cardinal Burke

Excellent thread & post! Thank you Abyssinia & McCall.

We need to keep Cardinal Burke in our daily prayers!

**God Bless Cardinal Raymond Burke!
**

St. Michael the Archangel,

defend us in battle.

Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.

May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,

and do thou,

O Prince of the heavenly hosts,

by the power of God,

thrust into hell Satan,

and all the evil spirits,

who prowl about the world

seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

 

[Megan7]

I have read articles in “Rorate Caeli” that have seemed insulting to, dismissive of, disrespectful toward, and condescending toward, Pope Francis, who they seem to enjoy referring to as “Bergoglio.” I found it disturbing that Cardinal Burke would choose such a forum.

With all due respect & in charity. Most forums, blogs, web sites have different writers, different styles, different political views, etc. I have not seen what you are talking about. But, we cannot blame an entire source, in this case “Rorate Caeli” because of what 1 or 2 individuals MAY have written. Again, I do not know, nor do I have the time to keep up with every site out in the market.

Remember, it has many writers, including some Priests, if I am not mistaken.

In my humble opinion your post seems a bit uncharitable toward a Cardinal of Holy Mother Church, a Prince of Holy Mother Church. Are you putting into question his judgment? I doubt that he has the time to keep up with every single blog, web site out there

Cardinal Raymond Burke deserves our respect & prayers.

God bless you,

May this Season of Lent be a fruitful one

+Pax

 

[Tigg]

Cardinal Burke: be devoted to the liturgy, study the Catechism

Excellent advice - hopefully most of us have been doing this all along!

 

[dans0622]

I have read articles in “Rorate Caeli” that have seemed insulting to, dismissive of, disrespectful toward, and condescending toward, Pope Francis, who they seem to enjoy referring to as “Bergoglio.” I found it disturbing that Cardinal Burke would choose such a forum.

Hello,

The manner of referring to a pope by his family name is not necessarily dismissive or disrespectful. You can find an example, for example, on the façade of St. Peter’s basilica in Rome.

Regarding the forum: it seems to me that the typical readership of that blog is the perfect audience for what Cardinal Burke said.

Dan

 

[Mark121359]

This…Pope Francis has invited discussion as to pastoral care, not doctrinal change. If we see change in a way that is contrary to Jesus’ teachings, adultery, then you will see Burke and MANY others do more than speak out. Truth does not change, divorce and remarriage is adultery; source, see Jesus. To admit a person living in adultery to communion, endorses that sin as normal and acceptable. That will not happen without a great schism because it would be untrue.

Now, as I have stated many times, there are issues to discuss, annulment process, marriage preparation and catechesis improvements about marriage, etc. That can change but within the confines of doctrine.

I can’t help but think of a hypothetical here. Let’s say in the not so distant future, the Church were to seriously discuss the possibility of allowing “gay unions.” Sides were drawn. A sizeable number of cardinals favored this. And the pope who was presiding at the time appeared in favor of exploring this possibility. Why do I get the sense that these very same Catholics who are voicing criticism of Cardinal Burke here and on countless other threads would also be attacking him for vehemently opposing this hypothetical? Somehow I picture them saying; "whatever the outcome, it must be correct…because after all “the Church is evolving” and it’s under “the guidance of the Holy Spirit!”

***Peace, Mark ***

 

[LongingSoul]

I can’t help but think of a hypothetical here. Let’s say in the not so distant future, the Church were to seriously discuss the possibility of allowing “gay unions.” Sides were drawn. A sizeable number of cardinals favored this. And the pope who was presiding at the time appeared in favor of exploring this possibility. Why do I get the sense that these very same Catholics who are voicing criticism of Cardinal Burke here and on countless other threads would also be attacking him for vehemently opposing this hypothetical? Somehow I picture them saying; "whatever the outcome, it must be correct…because after all “the Church is evolving” and it’s under “the guidance of the Holy Spirit!”

***Peace, Mark ***

For my part, I have been Catholic since birth and I don’t know how to live any other way. The Pope as successor of St Peter the Rock on which Christs Church was built, is so central to my faith in God that if I adopted the belief that the Pope could teach error in faith or that some Popes are bad or that his guidance of my soul is optional… I think I would have to walk into the wilderness and die. As a matter of fact, during a time of great frightening doubt in my life, what anchored me to Truth was the final belief that if the Pope believes God exists… then I will also.

Pope Francis wants genuine and honest discussion from a place of faith regarding a couple of controversial issues. It was a surprising development but also exciting in its fearlessness. It engenders the hope that out of this discussion, we as a species will have a greater experience of people ‘through Gods eyes’ and the thorns that cause the wounds in humanity can be identified and addressed.

Anyone who urges me to distrust the wisdom of the Pope and his synod call is my enemy I am afraid. My faith won’t allow it.

 

[ringil]

Anyone who urges me to distrust the wisdom of the Pope and his synod call is my enemy I am afraid. My faith won’t allow it.

I agree.

I believe that the Enemy is behind attempts to sow discord against the Pope.

 

[OraLabora]

Pope Francis wants genuine and honest discussion from a place of faith regarding a couple of controversial issues. It was a surprising development but also exciting in its fearlessness.

That’s the crux of the issue: fear. If we have fear, we have no faith. I suspect that many of the Rorate Caeli types are driven by fear. They betray a lack of faith in God, His promise, the keys, etc.

Pope Francis is fearless because he trusts in God. He just doesn’t believe in God, he trusts in God.

 

[Seamus_L]

The Church can no more come out in support of homosexual marriage than it can come out in support of prostitution, contraception, bigamy, abortion, euthanasia etc, etc, etc.