Cardinal Burke opens up about his new office with Knights of Malta [CNA]

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Cardinal Burke is relatively young - I believe 65? He has decades to go in the Church. He will be re-assigned. I think Pope Francis himself at some point was out in the boondocks, and put back into play so to speak in a more prominent role by JP II. I haven’t despaired of Burke’s future at all. On the contrary, he has demonstrated his commitment to the Church in a very visible way with high impact. I am not surprised he continues to show dedication; that’s who he is. I mean St. Jerome was a little short in the charm department right? 🙂
 
boar2roar said:
First post was borderline crackpot theory about how Cardinal Burke got this post to defend people against a muslim invasion. I’m still trying to follow it because knights of Malta have no army and I don’t see how Cardinal Burke can coordinate his aid volunteers to stop this ?

Second post vaguely adresses some kind of spiritual award for this position which pretty much says nothing concrete except prayer which the Cardinal can do without this post.

Third post deflects with a story about how a nun also got a ceremonial position and questions what the Cardinal could have done with his previous office job ( the highest judicial position in the church and oversees administration of justice in the church) before but doesn’t address any of the things that he can with his new post

No I read them they just don’t make sense to me…
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I love Card Burke, and I’m sad he got removed, but you’re absolutely right. He got dropped from an important position, and stuck in a purely ceremonial one. His comments are just him trying to make the best of an unfortunate situation.
 
Tigg said:
Perhaps you do not understand the sacrificial life of the priest, at least one who believes his calling is from God. From his own words, he did wish to remain in his previous office, but the spiritual element seeks to serve God before all else, leaving his own will behind and to do so by practicing virtue. I acknowledge we do have many ambitious clergymen, but I do not believe Crdl Burke to be one of them as that is contrary to laying one’s own life down for the service of God. And I repeat that God will use each one for His own purposes. None of us know what plans the Lord has for this faithful man.

Here is what he said when he found out about the re-assignment. You may believe of him as you wish; I take his words at face value and find they illustrate honesty and humility.
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Its not about ambition its just that this is a post that effectively makes him not sacrifice himself fully to god and utilize his talents if that makes sense. Its really a dead end position where he really can’t work to improve things spiritually directly. Its kind of similar to the situation of that french bishop who got assigned to a non existent diocese in the desert.

He’s trying to publicly state the positives, he’s a faithful servant of the Church so he’s not going to rebel or blast the decision, but you can tell even in those conciliatory words that inside he doesn’t feel at ease with the decision because he knows what the position is and the context of why he received it.
 
Tigg said:
Perhaps you do not understand the sacrificial life of the priest, at least one who believes his calling is from God. From his own words, he did wish to remain in his previous office, but the spiritual element seeks to serve God before all else, leaving his own will behind and to do so by practicing virtue. I acknowledge we do have many ambitious clergymen, but I do not believe Crdl Burke to be one of them as that is contrary to laying one’s own life down for the service of God. And I repeat that God will use each one for His own purposes. None of us know what plans the Lord has for this faithful man.

Here is what he said when he found out about the re-assignment. You may believe of him as you wish; I take his words at face value and find they illustrate honesty and humility.
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Exactly! 🙂

~~ the phoenix
 
the_phoenix said:
Exactly! 🙂
~~ the phoenix
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  It would be impulsive to argue that point. Nevertheless, has not the Lutheran denomination and Presbyterianism been just about cut in half over the past several years on account of  disagreements over some of the very same positions  Cardinal Burke was noted for holding?
What I am getting at is totally worldly, yes, but is it realistic to expect the high officials to live in a bubble? In the same vein, Cardinal Burke’s holding that judicial position might have been seen as the church making a statement it would rather not. And, yes, the church has a position, a conservative one, on those issues.
It would actually be a step in the right direction if the United States Supreme Court could rid itself of the stigma of liberal/conservative bias. Not holding my breath waiting.
I’ve come to see this not as some kind of censure. I’ve no plans to go looking for a pattern. :cool:
 
boar2roar said:
I like Burke a lot but this office is completely ceremonial and a way to get him out of doing anything significant. What is Burke have to do with a Catholic red cross like organization which he has no power over anyway.
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Fortunately he now has loads more time to travel and speak!
 
the_phoenix said:
Because you are looking at things from a worldly point of view.

~~ the phoenix
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Hi there: Sad to say, I think the concept of a priest living for God alone is lost upon many. In fairness though, these current days have seen more than their fair share of materialism and ambition among the ordained and good example is sometimes hard to find. Traditionally speaking there is hope; of the ones I actually know many still seek personal holiness in their daily lives.
 
red_dirt said:
At the same time, American conservatives across the board viewed the removal of Cardinal Raymond Burke as Head of the Vatican’s highest court with dismay. Not exactly what I would have called a musty old office, at least not when Cardinal Burke occupied it.
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There is always a lesson to be learned; the question is whether or not it will be learned.
 
Cardinal Burke was in the right place at the right time. We saw the Holy Spirit in action at the Synod when the bishops rose up in opposition to the first report to uphold the teachings of Jesus led by Cardinal Burke. Now he can devote more time to instrumental works like contributing to the book Remaining in the Truth of Christ.
 
johnnyc176 said:
Cardinal Burke was in the right place at the right time. We saw the Holy Spirit in action at the Synod when the bishops rose up in opposition to the first report to uphold the teachings of Jesus led by Cardinal Burke. Now he can devote more time to instrumental works like contributing to the book Remaining in the Truth of Christ.
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Well said. Also we look at things through ‘wordly’ eyes, not God’s, even in Church matters! God never abandons his faithful; he dwells in them. We worry too much about appearances. High status in life has nothing to do with your peace and joy in Christ. In fact, they rarely coincide.
 
I have never been able to grasp the view by some that Cardinal Burke is some sort of exceptionally heroic churchman. I have never found him to be all that charismatic, or appealing. Certainly, he is a capable functionary, but I don’t perceive that he is properly cast in the leadership role. He just is not that compelling a figure, in my view.

Personally, I am not a very political animal. Perhaps, one might need to examine this through a political lens to better understand all of the angst and hysteria regarding Cardinal Burke. I cannot see it…at all.

I wish him all the best in his new assignment, but I must confess that rumors of his martyrdom have been greatly exaggerated.
 
unafraid said:
I wish him all the best in his new assignment, but I must confess that rumors of his martyrdom have been greatly exaggerated.
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In your opinion…I was personally really heartened by how he very visibly engaged the media and reached out to the faithful during the Synod, and after. People have very different views of Burke, and his new post, which is fine.
 
unafraid said:
I have never been able to grasp the view by some that Cardinal Burke is some sort of exceptionally heroic churchman. I have never found him to be all that charismatic, or appealing. Certainly, he is a capable functionary, but I don’t perceive that he is properly cast in the leadership role. He just is not that compelling a figure, in my view.

Personally, I am not a very political animal. Perhaps, one might need to examine this through a political lens to better understand all of the angst and hysteria regarding Cardinal Burke. I cannot see it…at all.

I wish him all the best in his new assignment, but I must confess that rumors of his martyrdom have been greatly exaggerated.
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He represents and champions the conservative/ no drastic change wing of the church which appeals to many catholics including myself? He might not be as skilled of a public speaker or charismatic as Cardinal Dolan but Cardinal Burke’s view on the issues are more important than those things.

He might of been the driving force for keeping the bad parts of the midterm synod report from going through by making his voice public and creating pressure against it. Some of us think he took a fall (the new post) for that but we are still grateful for what he did.
 
boar2roar said:
He represents and champions the conservative/ no drastic change wing of the church which appeals to many catholics including myself? He might not be as skilled of a public speaker or charismatic as Cardinal Dolan but Cardinal Burke’s view on the issues are more important than those things.

He might of been the driving force for keeping the bad parts of the midterm synod report from going through by making his voice public and creating pressure against it. Some of us think he took a fall (the new post) for that but we are still grateful for what he did.
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Well, I consider myself to be a “no drastic change” Catholic, as well, and I think Pope Francis represents me perfectly well. He “champions” the cause of Our Lord Jesus Christ just fine for my liking.

I just cringe when Cardinal Burke is mischaracterized as being representative of a more authentic Catholic view than that of Pope Francis. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
the_phoenix said:
Depends on if we are looking at this in a worldly way, I suppose.
I personally see how much good can come from this,
with Cardinal Burke being in a position as a spiritual advisor
where he can
acknowledge God, take the next right step, and be a sign of hope to those around him.
Sounds like an opportunity for leadership to me.

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A spiritual leader of an 80,000 strong army, sounds pretty cool to me. Can you imagine he he succeeds in firing up this army to “PROTECT the FAITH”

Awesome!!! God Bless you Colonel Burke:highprayer:
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boar2roar said:
He represents and champions the conservative/ no drastic change wing of the church which appeals to many catholics including myself? He might not be as skilled of a public speaker or charismatic as Cardinal Dolan but Cardinal Burke’s view on the issues are more important than those things.

He might of been the driving force for keeping the bad parts of the midterm synod report from going through by making his voice public and creating pressure against it. Some of us think he took a fall (the new post) for that but we are still grateful for what he did.
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Cardinal Burke was part of the consistory or dicastery charged with reviewing and recommending new bishops, and ceased that position somewhere about the beginning of the year. According to the Cardinal, he was notified about a month before the official notice that he was being changed from his recent position as head of the Apostolica Signatura, (or the highest Church court), that the decision had been made, and he indicated (without directly answering the question) that the Pope personally informed him.

So as to the time line, it appears to others that the process was in place well over a year ago, and not as the result of the synod.
 
otjm said:
Cardinal Burke was part of the consistory or dicastery charged with reviewing and recommending new bishops, and ceased that position somewhere about the beginning of the year. According to the Cardinal, he was notified about a month before the official notice that he was being changed from his recent position as head of the Apostolica Signatura, (or the highest Church court), that the decision had been made, and he indicated (without directly answering the question) that the Pope personally informed him.

So as to the time line, it appears to others that the process was in place well over a year ago, and not as the result of the synod.
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I agree that he knew at the time of the Synod of the re-assignment…
 
unafraid said:
Well, I consider myself to be a “no drastic change” Catholic, as well, and I think Pope Francis represents me perfectly well. He “champions” the cause of Our Lord Jesus Christ just fine for my liking.

I just cringe when Cardinal Burke is mischaracterized as being representative of a more authentic Catholic view than that of Pope Francis. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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The comparison was to Cardinal Kasper.
 
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