Cardinal Cupich says "discern truth" - WHAT?

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Blue_Horizon said:
That does not mean the objective gravity is inconsequential … but it is clearly a secondary consideration after the primary one.
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The Serpent in the garden used sophistry and subtlety to tempt Eve and disaster followed. This subtle ‘change’ in perennial teaching will also have disastrous consequences. As for myself, the words of Our Lord are crystal clear. Francis may be Pope but he is morally bound to safeguard the unchanging Faith. I’m confident that Francis will eventually restore doctrinal unity by denouncing interpretations of AL that cause sacreligious communions and undermine the moral foundations of the Faith. False interpretations of AL strike at the core of the Sacred Deposit of Faith.

Those who support heterodox interpretions of AL spit in the face of St. Thomas More who gave his life as a witness to the truth about marriage.
 
The bottom line remains, those who divorce and remarry may NOT receive Communion, unless they abstain from sexual relations with their new “spouse.”

Pope Francis cannot change that bottom line.
 
Vadne said:
Pope Francis cannot change that bottom line.
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Exactly. Francis knows he cannot directly change the bottom line because the Holy Spirit won’t allow it. The synod fathers rejected this proposal, which is why it had to be smuggled in as a footnote; footnotes do not develop doctrine. And let’s not forget that an Apostolic Exhortation carries very little doctrinal weight.
 
Holy scripture takes precedence over everything. Doctors of the church, scholars, philosophers, theologians and others have studied scripture for centuries. The church tells us in official teaching what Cardinal Burke said in the article - unless they live as sister and brother they cannot receive communion - there are no other exceptions. Sin is contrary to and opposes God’s absolute truth, it seems to me. Considering whether or not an action is sinful cannot take place properly unless it is evaluated in light of God’s absolute truth. Please convince me that what our pope said is correct.
 
Catholic teaching can’t be changed and our pope knowing this is doing it “under the table” with the help of those who agree with him. The tragedy is people’s souls are at stake. May God have mercy on those who lead others to commit a serious sin. I can’t help but to think of the prophecies of our lady of good success and akita.
 
oppositeman13 said:
Catholic teaching can’t be changed and our pope knowing this is doing it “under the table” with the help of those who agree with him. The tragedy is people’s souls are at stake. May God have mercy on those who lead others to commit a serious sin. I can’t help but to think of the prophecies of our lady of good success and akita.
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Edward Pentin has written a book about the rigging of the synod on the Family. The Kasperites failed to secure their reforms; this is why Amoris Laetitia was written in compromise language that smuggled the revolution in through the back door. This underdeterminate language sends out a range of messages and enables a range of interpretations. Cardinal Burke has tried to obtain a definitive interpretion but Pope Francis refuses to answer; he’s allowing people to do his talking for him. We must pray for Pope Francis because his silence could amount to nonfeasance.
 
I’m trying to understand what exactly it is that you’re having a problem with. Hebrews 5:14 tells us:
But solid food is for the perfect: for those who by use have their senses exercised to the discerning of good and evil.
(Douay-Rheims bible)
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What is the danger of which you speak? I’m genuinely confused.
 
I agree that we must pray for Pope Francis. He seems to be under constant attack. That must mean he is a holy man!
 
seekerz said:
He seems to be under constant attack
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Pope Francis is constantly praised by the media. The world loves him. He’s never been attacked. That’s why he says he loves being Pope. Benedict XVI was under constant attack; the same cannot be said about Pope Francis.
 
Saxum said:
Those who support heterodox interpretions of AL spit in the face of St. Thomas More who gave his life as a witness to the truth about marriage.
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How insulting to Pope Francis, bishops, and St. Thomas More.

And are you comparing Henry Viii to our Holy Father, or to faithful people who find themselves in a situation in which living without sex is not going to be a permanent solution to their situation?

Henry Viii is a good example of “obstanitley” persevering in grave sin" (paraphrasing)
 
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Strange - I see him attacked constantly by believers who would never qualify to be Pope themselves but who think they are in a position to teach him his job.
 
Thomas More was executed because he refused to support Henry’s marriage to Anne Boleyn; he understood that Henry’s marriage to Catherine was indissoluble.

If AL had been around at the time, Henry VIII would have interpreted it as allowing him to live with Anne as his wife and receive Holy Communion.

What was sinful at the time of Henry VIII is no longer sinful - at least if you live in Germany or Malta.
 
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Henry Viii would have found his assumption was wrong.
 
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Indeed, thanks to Francis’ management, we have the ludicrous situation that the divorced and remarried think they can receive Communion (they can’t actually) in Malta, Argentina, etc…but not in Poland or Canada. In Chicago probably, but not in Philadelphia.

It’s a mess…and the blame rests with Francis. He could end this.
 
1Lord1Faith said:
How insulting to Pope Francis, bishops, and St. Thomas More.
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It’s insulting to Ss Thomas More and John Fisher because they were martyred for defending the very doctrines that are undermined certain interpretations of Amoris Laetitia.

My England was separated from the Body of Christ for hundreds of years and now Catholics are agreeing with the position of Henry VIII viz that Catholics can get divorced and may receive Communion. They put themselves at odds with St Thomas More who believed that valid marriages are indissoluble. As for ‘insulting’ Bishops, I’ve said nothing. However I wil say this: a lot of current Cardinals would have agreed with Cardinal Wolesy.
 
He is Pope Francis - thank you very much. Or have we dispensed with such courtesies?
 
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We don’t have to speculate, Scripture tells us about mature Christians:
13 For every one that is a partaker of milk, is unskilful in the word of justice: for he is a little child.

14 But solid food is for the perfect: for those who by use have their senses exercised to the discerning of good and evil.
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Douay Rheims
 
In Europe it is common to refer to popes by their surnames only. And we often refer to Pius XII and Paul VI, etc…NOTHING wrong calling him Francis, or Bergoglio.
 
Vadne said:
NOTHING wrong calling him Francis, or Bergoglio
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In Italy they say ‘Pope Montini,’ ‘Pope Ratzinger’ etc. It’s one of the peculiarities of this forum that it’s considered an insult.
 
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