Cardinal Cupich says "discern truth" - WHAT?

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rcwitness said:
correct me if I’m wrong, but did you say that your Aunt married someone in a State union, after the Church confirmed her marriage valid? And you call her a devout Catholic?

Not receiving Communion is NOT being a devout Catholic. Receiving Communion while Reconciled with Jesus and the Church is being a devout Catholic
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All I know is that her first marriage was ruled valid by a tribunal. She married civilly later to a good man who was not Catholic or even religious. I don’t judge the state of her soul. I do know that she attended Mass weekly, remained on good terms with the pastor and other parishioners, and did not receive communion because of the civil marriage. When her husband became ill and impotent later in life they were in effect living as brother and sister; she returned to confession and communion but was already a parish member who was at Mass every Sunday.

We are obligated to attend Mass every Sunday or Saturday vigil. We are obligated to receive communion once a year.
 
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rcwitness:
correct me if I’m wrong, but did you say that your Aunt married someone in a State union, after the Church confirmed her marriage valid? And you call her a devout Catholic?

Not receiving Communion is NOT being a devout Catholic. Receiving Communion while Reconciled with Jesus and the Church is being a devout Catholic
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All I know is that her first marriage was ruled valid by a tribunal. She married civilly later to a good man who was not Catholic or even religious. I don’t judge the state of her soul. I do know that she attended Mass weekly, remained on good terms with the pastor and other parishioners, and did not receive communion because of the civil marriage. When her husband became ill and impotent later in life they were in effect living as brother and sister; she returned to confession and communion but was already a parish member who was at Mass every Sunday.

We are obligated to attend Mass every Sunday or Saturday vigil. We are obligated to receive communion once a year.
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The fact that she was living in an adulterous relationship, which kept her from receiving Holy Communion, doesn’t cause you to believe she wasn’t a devout Catholic???

Being a devout Catholic should mean devoting to doing as the Church Teaches.
 
rcwitness said:
And you call her a devout Catholic?
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I would think that the nephew who knows her would be more capable of judging her soul than you are, and yet he knows not to do that. I am shocked that you are willing to make such a harsh judgment against her personally, not just her actions, even if you knew her.

FYI - One can be devout and still sin, as did pretty much all the saints.
 
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rcwitness:
And you call her a devout Catholic?
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I would think that the nephew who knows her would be more capable of judging her soul than you are, and yet he knows not to do that. I am shocked that you are willing to make such a harsh judgment against her personally, not just her actions, even if you knew her.

FYI - One can be devout and still sin, as did pretty much all the saints.
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Ahh, I see. Accuse me of judging her soul. That’s a crafty attack.
 
You said she was not devout. That is a judgement of the soul of the person. It is not a statement against her actions, but of her spiritual state. And it was not an attack. It was a defense of a woman you judged that you do not know. She cannot defend herself, and it is part of my nature to defend those who cannot defend themselves.
 
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Well, I never met the first husband, and only knew her and the 2nd husband after marrying my wife. I didn’t even know about the first marriage for a good while. And yes, she did seem devout to me. She gave me a Miraculous Medal soon after we met and had a number of devotional practices. She was devout enough to attend Mass weekly for years without being able to receive communion. If she had decided to violate Church law by receiving communion in spite of the remarriage, that would have given me pause.
 
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You said she was not devout. That is a judgement of the soul of the person. It is not a statement against her actions, but of her spiritual state. And it was not an attack. It was a defense of a woman you judged that you do not know.
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No! I was questioning a poster claiming his aunt to be a devout Catholic, while living in an adulterous relationship! It’s absurd! That is far from being devout.
 
JimG said:
Well, I never met the first husband, and only knew her and the 2nd husband after marrying my wife. I didn’t even know about the first marriage for a good while. And yes, she did seem devout to me. She gave me a Miraculous Medal soon after we met and had a number of devotional practices. She was devout enough to attend Mass weekly for years without being able to receive communion. If she had decided to violate Church law by receiving communion in spite of the remarriage, that would have given me pause.
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Adultery, according to the Church is a serious violation of Church law!
 
Yes it is. I don’t defend divorce, or civil marriage after divorce. I only give my recollections. She remained on good terms with her parish pastor throughout her life and was fully reconciled with the Church several years before she died. She was always kind to me and to others.
 
I got your point. With all this talk or receiving communion, you wanted to point out that there was a way one could still be an active Catholic in an irregular situation whether they are able to receive communion or not. It is good that her fellow parishoners treated her respectfully.
 
“JimG said:
Yes it is. I don’t defend divorce, or civil marriage after divorce. I only give my recollections. She remained on good terms with her parish pastor throughout her life and was fully reconciled with the Church several years before she died. She was always kind to me and to others.
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I don’t assume to know her heart or remorse. All I know is that you think a person can live in Adultery while being a devout Catholic, because she was nice, went to Mass religiously, gave you a medal, etc.

Are you trying to tell me she had remorse for her civil marriage and confessed it? Or are you assuming this, because she had the appearance of religious ferver?
 
pnewton said:
I got your point. With all this talk or receiving communion, you wanted to point out that there was a way one could still be an active Catholic in an irregular situation whether they are able to receive communion or not. It is good that her fellow parishoners treated her respectfully.
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Does “irregular situation” mean Adultery?

Should we assume she had knowledge and willful consent, since she had a close relationship with her priest???
 
JimG said:
Yes it is. I don’t defend divorce, or civil marriage after divorce. I only give my recollections. She remained on good terms with her parish pastor throughout her life and was fully reconciled with the Church several years before she died. She was always kind to me and to others.
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What difference does it make if she remained “on good terms with her priest” if she kept committing adultery?

if she really repented of the sinful relationship she was involved in, that would be good.

But you seem to believe she was always in a good relationship, even while living in sin!

Actually, she only repented after her iligitimate husband Could no longer give her sex? Is that how it works?
 
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FYI - One can be devout and still sin, as did pretty much all the saints.
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Can you give an example of a Saint who willfully committed a Mortal sin, while being devout to the Church and our Lord???

That is a disturbing thing for a Christian to say!
 
I would say your aunt was not a typical remarried Catholic at that time, was very staunch and had a thick skin to be doing what she was doing.
If my understanding of her personality is correct then that would be further indicated by the husband likely being at fault and him quitting the marriage first rather than she on either count?

It is interesting that Pope Francis felt the need to say that the divorced or remarried are not excommunicated.
 
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