Cardinal Dolan Honors Girl Scouts at Cathedral Mass

[GRATEFULONEjim]

The “field trip” adds fuel to the fire, that is why I focused on it. Got to have a zinger to scare:frighten: people first, that way all the good the GS do fail in comparison to the “field trip”.

I guess every Diocese in the country is going to have to ban the Girl Scouts from their parishes and schools now. And Cardinal Dolan is going to have sit in time out for awhile.

I don’t see this happening though. Paranoia run amok.

I’m not scare mongering. What would be the point in that. There is already enough damaging information out there to see for yourself. I am relaying our personal experience that my family faced with our daughters. Whether or not you like what you have read, believed what you have read, or believe that I am trying to scare monger is not the point. The point is that officials of the Catholic Church should not be condoning activities that support teachings outside of what the Church teaches. Our personal encounter was ended for that reason. We took the time to research what was going on within our local troop and decided, upon weighing the facts before us, that it was not the place for our girls.

 

[Julianna]

I think there is one heck of a lot of smoke billowing from GSA. I’ve heard Johnnette Benkovic and Barbara McGuigan from EWTN just to name two who have talked about the ties between GSA and Planned Parenthood. Just do a Google search and you’ll see plenty of smoke!

google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=12&gs_ri=psy-ab&suggest=p&pq=girl%20scouts&cp=13&gs_id=1f&xhr=t&q=girl+scouts+planned+parenthood&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=girl+scouts+p&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45960087,d.dmQ&fp=25132d1b7f050e52&biw=1024&bih=643
lifenews.com/2013/01/17/pro-life-group-warns-about-girl-scouts-planned-parenthood-ties/

And I found this site interesting from former Girl Scouts;
honestgirlscouts.com/

I realize that it’s difficult for some to accept this since they may have a daughter or what have you in GSA, But if it were my daughter and being a practicing Catholic, I’d be greatly concerned about that organization! Especially when they’re mentioned on EWTN radio who I trust. That’s where I first heard about it.

Peace, Mark

EWTN may have reported it, but there are how many Diocese’ in the US? How many parishes, how many schools, how many DRE’s? I guess they didn’t get the CAF memo.

 

[GRATEFULONEjim]

EWTN may have reported it, but there are how many Diocese’ in the US? How many parishes, how many schools, how many DRE’s? I guess they didn’t get the CAF memo.

Have you personally taken the time to research the curriculum that your local Girl Scouts Troop is using , and sat down with the individual leaders to see what their views are on the issue that are against our faith?

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

You’re focusing on the field trip choice though. I would agree that the field trip choice is something a particular local chapter chose to do. However, the content of the curriculum is national. As of *this past school year *it included things that go against the Catholic Faith.

No, this is not blowing things out of proportion. We should not be promoting organizations that promote SSA, abortion, contraception. I do not get how this is even a question.

Neither do I. But I’m evidently not ‘informed’ or ‘nuanced’ enough.

 

[Lucky7]

Have you personally taken the time to research the curriculum that your local Girl Scouts Troop is using , and sat down with the individual leaders to see what their views are on the issue that are against our faith?

I think we need to ask the following question first:

Julianna, do you disagree with the GSA on matters of contraception/SSA/abortion? Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m sensing you do not.

 

[Julianna]

Have you personally taken the time to research the curriculum that your local Girl Scouts Troop is using , and sat down with the individual leaders to see what their views are on the issue that are against our faith?

My daughter was a Girl Scout in the 90’s. She is 27 now. The Troop is still going strong at the Catholic School she attended, along with all the other GS Troops in the Diocese of Charleston and the Boston Diocese where I am from.

I doubt the troop you investigated was from a Catholic School, more like a mom who had troop in her home/neighborhood. If this is so, I can see how it was “tailored” more secular than you would like. You chose to take your children out, which is your right.

Again, most the Diocese’ in the US didn’t get the CAF memo and I guess Cardinal Dolan should sit in the time out chair. If I had to venture a guess, (getting out my crystal ball), this event will take place next year and throughout the country. And we will re-visit this on CAF again.

Bottomline, you don’t like the GS, great, …scaring parents who have their girls in troop that are not making visits to Planned Parenthood and are of benefit to their school/community it way overboard.

 

[Lucky7]

Gratefuljim,

Thank you for informing others so they can come to an educated, Catholic decision. Your comments are not fear mongering at all.

 

[Julianna]

I think we need to ask the following question first:

Julianna, do you disagree with the GSA on matters of contraception/SSA/abortion? Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m sensing you do not.

Funny thing is, it never came up as a topic of discussion when my daughter was a GS, because it was Catholic School/parish sponsored, I wouldn’t expect it to.

I disagree with alot of things that people espouse. We don’t have a Borg mentality when it comes to humanity.

Since I saw no evidence when my daughter was in scouting of contraception/SSA/abortion, I have no comment. If the subject came up during that time, I am sure Sister Veronica and Father Oleksak would have a talk with the troop leader.

To ease your mind.

chemical birth control is poison (my opinion). The side effects are horrendous.

SSA, it happens, it exists, I have 4 sets of gay men in my neighborhood, all who bought GS cookies from my daughter. They work, pay taxes, keep to themselves, and I have yet to see one of them in a pink tu-tu mowing their lawn. If I were invited to a bbq at their home, I would attend.

abortion is…legal in the US. Change comes from within not from without in. I had the chance on a few occasions to counsel girls, including my own daughter who became pregnant as a teen. Yes, there were girls who said they were going to get an abortion. My daughter, absolutely not. She gave LIFE to the child and placed him for adoption, chose the family (a Catholic family), thereby giving him QUALITY of life, her friends, had their babies, some were placed for adoption, others married and another friend, with the help of her parents are raising the child. So I guess this feminist relativist (as I am often called on CAF), saved several children (from within). One would then conclude that I am pro life, now wouldn’t one?

I don’t live in a cave, I live in the real world with all it’s sham and drudgery, it is still a beautiful world.

 

[livingwordunity]

The Girl Scouts has ties to Planned Parenthood. American Heritage Girls is solidly Christ-based and seems like a good alternative. The following is about them from their website:

The History of American Heritage Girls

American Heritage Girls was founded in 1995 in West Chester, Ohio by a group of parents wanting a wholesome program for their daughters. These parents were disillusioned with the increasing secular focus of existing organizations for girls. They wanted a Judeo-Christian focused organization for their daughters and believed that other parents were looking for the same for their daughters. This became the catalyst for the birth of the organization we have come to know as the American Heritage Girls.

American Heritage Girls began its first year of programming in the fall of 1995 with about 10 troops and roughly 100 members. Most of the troops met in the West Chester area and worked on badges written by the founding parents. Organizational events were started that year which assisted the organization in tying city-wide troops together.

American Heritage Girls is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the mission of building women of integrity through service to God, family, community and country. The organization offers badge programs, service projects, girl leadership opportunities and outdoor experiences to its members. This program of character building has successfully served thousands of girls since its inception and will continue to do so long into the 21st century.

The founders of the American Heritage Girls and the volunteers of today give all credit for the success of AHG to God for His constant hand upon the organization and His unceasing blessings.

 

[Lucky7]

To ease your mind.

My mind was at ease, thanks. But I’m still not clear on where you stand on Catholic teachings wrt those controversial topics. But I’m getting accustomed to vague answers regarding Church teachings on CAF.

However, it is interesting to note that your daughter went through GS 20 years ago. A lot has changed since then and I am not sure how you can compare your experience with a family who is currently looking into the same organization. Times have changed drastically, so it’s not so unreasonable to find that the same organization is quite a different animal in 2013.

 

[livingwordunity]

My mind was at ease, thanks. But I’m still not clear on where you stand on Catholic teachings wrt those controversial topics. But I’m getting accustomed to vague answers regarding Church teachings on CAF.

However, it is interesting to note that your daughter went through GS 20 years ago. A lot has changed since then and I am not sure how you can compare your experience with a family who is currently looking into the same organization. Times have changed drastically, so it’s not so unreasonable to find that the same organization is quite a different animal in 2013.

I think you are telling her something that she knows.

 

[GRATEFULONEjim]

…scaring parents who have their girls in troop that are not making visits to Planned Parenthood and are of benefit to their school/community it way overboard.

I am only asking parents who are living their faith as Catholics to ensure that the curriculum being presented to their children by GSA is not contrary to Church teaching. GSA does not publish different course material for Catholic parishes and then something different for groups that are run by parents not affiliated with the Church. I do not know what the GSA curriculum supported in the 90’s. I can attest to what it supports in 2013. There is content that is contrary to Catholic Church teaching.

 

[Lucky7]

I am only asking parents who are living their faith as Catholics to ensure that the curriculum being presented to their children by GSA is not contrary to Church teaching. GSA does not publish different course material for Catholic parishes and then something different for groups that are run by parents not affiliated with the Church. I do not know what the GSA curriculum supported in the 90’s. I can attest to what it supports in 2013. There is content that is contrary to Catholic Church teaching.

And that’s what matters here. :banghead:

 

[_Abyssinia]

girl

 

[_Abyssinia]

Bishop Conley has said

“It’s hard to imagine that a girl who remains involved with Girl Scouts into young adulthood won’t eventually learn of the connections her organization has with ‘pro-choice’, pro-contraception and ‘reproductive freedom’ groups,” the youth minister wrote. “If she was introduced to GSUSA through her parents and her local parish, then that will inevitably create contradictions between her Catholic faith and her Scouting experience.”

The bishop notes that Scouting’s structures allow local troops to have a certain amount of autonomy, but nevertheless he says the activities and orientations of the international and national Scout bodies have “an important trickle-down effect.” “This is exactly why ‘pro-choice’ organizations have worked to develop connections with the Scouting movement,” he writes.

“Parents, as the primary educators of their children, have every right to insist that their beliefs, especially their moral and religious beliefs, be respected—not undermined—by the organizations to which they entrust their children,” he says. “Parents need to remain alert to the content of their daughters’ activities. And Catholics involved in the Girl Scouting movement should make it clear to leadership that Scouting is only a means to an end—the proper formation of young character.”

“It’s not an end in itself; and should Scouting ever fail in that proper formation, other groups can be found or formed to take its place,” he concludes.

St Timothy Catholic Parish in Virginia has banned girl scout troops from using parish facilities.

WAGGGS stands for World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts

A noted player on the international stage, WAGGGS is an ardent advocate for controversial social policies including abortion and sex rights for children. Girl Scouts USA is its single largest organizational funder. In fact, every American girl who joins a Girl Scout troop at her neighborhood church is made a de facto member of this radical group.

If you have not read about the plans, programs, and priorities of WAGGGS, you must do so today. I promise, it will give you something to think about.

Read about WAGGGS here:

100questionsforthegirlscouts.org/100/wagggs.cfm

girlscoutswhynot.com/WAGGGS.html

honestgirlscouts.com/files/HGS2011NatlConvFlyer.pdf

Reprinted with permission from Family Research Council.

lifesitenews.com/news/girl-scouts-give-thanks-for-membership-in-worldwide-pro-abortion-organizati

Fact: Girls Scouts Have Documented Ties to Planned Parenthood

 

[Mark121359]

But I’m still not clear on where you stand on Catholic teachings wrt those controversial topics. But I’m getting accustomed to vague answers regarding Church teachings on CAF.

Boy is that an understatement! I hear you though. I can’t tell you how many times on these “controversial” threads, there will be several posters who seem to be at odds with Church teachings and someone like yourself will ask point blank where they stand with the Church, and I always look forward to their response but it usually never comes. or if it does it’s always as you say, “vague.” Which tells me in my opinion, that they’re more than likely at odds with Church teachings…which doesn’t really surprise me nowadays. Actually, I’m of the belief that those who are true to Church teachings are sadly, probably in the minority.

Peace, Mark

 

[Dawnia]

Bishop Conley has said

180 local Scouts earn Catholic religious emblems

“I commend each of you for your pursuit of these awards as they are a demonstration of commitment to the Scout’s duty to God,” Bishop Conley wrote. “The awards are not an end of the faith journey, but a beginning of a more faith-filled education built on this strong foundation.”
He encouraged them to continue pursuing other Catholic scouting awards.

 

[Julianna]

I explained it quite clear. You all call it vague. I saved a few babies from certain death, and wow, it doesn’t qualify in your eyes for anything. I didn’t know there was a quota.

Stating that chemical contraceptives are poison…I guess that doesn’t clarify where I stand on contraceptives. So in your eyes I would probably, most likely suggest that women use them.

SSA, I am not homophobe. I know what the bible says, I get it. However, I will not shun, begrudge, lecture, hound, put myself on a pedestal against my neighbors and friends who are in SS relationships, or who are gay/lesbian.

So which one of the three goes against Church teaching…

and when does that silly handbasket arrive that you all are going to chuck me in?

 

[_Abyssinia]

180 local Scouts earn Catholic religious emblems

What is going on?

 

[Lucky7]

Boy is that an understatement! I hear you though. I can’t tell you how many times on these “controversial” threads, there will be several posters who seem to be at odds with Church teachings and someone like yourself will ask point blank where they stand with the Church, and I always look forward to their response but it usually never comes. or if it does it’s always as you say, “vague.” Which tells me in my opinion, that they’re more than likely at odds with Church teachings…which doesn’t really surprise me nowadays. Actually, I’m of the belief that those who are true to Church teachings are sadly, probably in the minority.

Peace, Mark

Or another great comeback: “I answered the question…you just don’t like the answer.” And then they continue to respond with the same answer as if that clears things up. When this starts happening I refuse to further engage with them.

Those who are true to the Church simply state that they agree with Church teachings (or disagree with those views that go against Church teaching). Period. Succinct and clear as a bell.