Cardinal Dolan Honors Girl Scouts at Cathedral Mass

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Since you are the one who keeps bringing up the USCCB investigation, could you please provide a link to the investigation? I would be more than happy to give it some credence if I could actually see it and what the USCCB has said so far.
pnewton is asking “you” for proof of investigation, since it is you state that there is one. It would be good to read about the investigation and see where the Church is on it. Right now there are 100’s if not thousands of GS Troops supported by Catholic Schools and parishes all over the country.

For some reason, I doubt this a Church priority.🤷
 
It’s possible that’s true. But it’s likely to be a gesture of hope and good will made in vain given how entrenched in the culture of death our society now is. It’s more likely they will use it as a propaganda tool to convince those who are ignorant of Church teachings that the bishops gave them the award not despite but because of GSAs involvement with Planned Parenthood. 🙂
Absolutely. I’m not saying it’s right, but people see these ‘awards and outreaches,’ and read them as APPROVAL.
 
pnewton is asking “you” for proof of investigation, since it is you state that there is one. It would be good to read about the investigation and see where the Church is on it. Right now there are 100’s if not thousands of GS Troops supported by Catholic Schools and parishes all over the country.

For some reason, I doubt this a Church priority.🤷
Um, no, I was not the one. Pnewton was the one who said there was one. I’d like to see that there is one taking place and what the USCCB has said up to this point. I can find nothing newer that a year ago stating that there was going to be one.
 
Perhaps he was thinking that this accusation has yet to be substantiated? The USCCB was investigating this, but I do not know that they have determined anything yet.
This was the first mention in this thread of any investigation.
 
Absolutely. I’m not saying it’s right, but people see these ‘awards and outreaches,’ and read them as APPROVAL.
Yes, it’s the perception. And without any clarification to go along with it, it’s understandable why there is concern over that perception.
 
When have the Girl scouts spoke of disassociating from their pro abortion ties?

Last month an article was posted on Life news:

Girl Scouts Still Humming the Pro-Abortion Chorus
CNS News - Dialogue between Catholic leaders, Girl Scouts address criticisms
McCarty said the assertion Girls Scouts has a relationship with Planned Parenthood arose from a statement the previous CEO made in 2004 on broadcast television in which she listed the organization as one group among many with whom the Scouts maintained a relationship.
“That,” he stressed, “was eight years ago, and, that has changed.”
Here is additional info on the issues and an update from the group that oversees the Catholic relationship with GSUSA.

Original Issues

Update

It does appear as if there hasn’t been any updates since 2012. But, if anyone is truly interested in what is going on, you could contact the Committee in charge of the investigation and ask. The Committee on Laity, Marriage, Family Life and Youth - laity@usccb.org or 202-541-3040
 
It does appear as if there hasn’t been any updates since 2012. But, if anyone is truly interested in what is going on, you could contact the Committee in charge of the investigation and ask. The Committee on Laity, Marriage, Family Life and Youth - laity@usccb.org or 202-541-3040
Done…cuz I’m truly interested.
 
Faithful Catholics are better educated by the Church than internet posters. There is nothing wrong with those who want to wait until the facts can be investigated by the USCCB.
Or don’t have the wherewithal to do some investigation on their own as my wife and I did. That is the same attitude many take for their lack of understanding of Church teachings…It’s the Churches fault:banghead:
 
Or don’t have the wherewithal to do some investigation on their own as my wife and I did. That is the same attitude many take for their lack of understanding of Church teachings…It’s the Churches fault:banghead:
Except, I for one have investigated this. Do not assume that lack of agreement is lack of effort.
 
Except, I for one have investigated this. Do not assume that lack of agreement is lack of effort.
Please share your findings with us. Who did you talk to within your local GSA group? I gather you have discovered information that must be contrary to that which my wife and I uncovered. There you have it folks…I pray that if you have girls associated with GSA that you find out what the organization’s views are and how they are being presented to the Scouts in your specific areas. It seems as though there may be some substantial differences in curriculum. Be informed…Make your own decisions, and lastly; Be true to your Catholic faith.
 
Please share your findings with us. Who did you talk to within your local GSA group? I gather you have discovered information that must be contrary to that which my wife and I uncovered. There you have it folks…I pray that if you have girls associated with GSA that you find out what the organization’s views are and how they are being presented to the Scouts in your specific areas. It seems as though there may be some substantial differences in curriculum. Be informed…Make your own decisions, and lastly; Be true to your Catholic faith.
I earlier spoke of this. I did not investigate the curriculum because I have no girl in scouting. I checked into all the allegations I could find and was unable to determine guilt. That is it. I posted this earlier. Back in 2012 we went around and around with this quite a bit. No, I did not do a thorough job I would if it was a subject that affected my family. I also decided that since the Church was investigating this, that should be sufficient.

I know it would be ideal if every person had the time to investigate every point in the news, every matter of doctrine, every incident of scandal, for themselves. I am happy for you and your choice. However, it is you and it is your choice. The Church has not spoken. Be informed. Make your own decisions for yourself, but be true to your Catholic faith. All of it.
 
Please share your findings with us.
I know this wasn’t meant for me, but I just wanted to say that if/when I hear back from the USCCB committee I will post what I learned. I still find it incredible that if an investigation actually did happen that a year later there is nothing on it anywhere. I know the Church works slowly, but it makes me itchy that there is no record of it on the USCCB website at all.
 
I earlier spoke of this. I did not investigate the curriculum because I have no girl in scouting. I checked into all the allegations I could find and was unable to determine guilt. That is it. I posted this earlier. Back in 2012 we went around and around with this quite a bit. No, I did not do a thorough job I would if it was a subject that affected my family. I also decided that since the Church was investigating this, that should be sufficient.

I know it would be ideal if every person had the time to investigate every point in the news, every matter of doctrine, every incident of scandal, for themselves. I am happy for you and your choice. However, it is you and it is your choice. The Church has not spoken. Be informed. Make your own decisions for yourself, but be true to your Catholic faith. All of it.
You’re right the Church has not spoken. Maybe I’m crazy, but if Jim actually saw that their national curriculum was contrary to Church teaching that seems to be pretty convincing evidence to me. It seems like such an easy thing for the Church to investigate…and here we are a year later…with nothing. Something just doesn’t seem right about that.
 
You and me both.

I’m still leaning towards we shouldn’t continue praising the Girl Scouts until it’s all sorted out and it’s been (here I go again!) made** clear **that it’s all sorted out.
He was praising the GIRLS involved in the girl scouts for earning badges related to Catholicism. He was not honoring the organization that is under investigation. Can we all take a step back for a minute and accept that maybe we should be encouraging and praising GIRLS today for earning CATHOLIC merit badges?
 
He was praising the GIRLS involved in the girl scouts for earning badges related to Catholicism. He was not honoring the organization that is under investigation. Can we all take a step back for a minute and accept that maybe we should be encouraging and praising GIRLS today for earning CATHOLIC merit badges?
Anna Maria Chavez? Isn’t she a bit old for a merit badge?
 
I think there is one heck of a lot of smoke billowing from GSA. I’ve heard Johnnette Benkovic and Barbara McGuigan from EWTN just to name two who have talked about the ties between GSA and Planned Parenthood. Just do a Google search and you’ll see plenty of smoke!

google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=12&gs_ri=psy-ab&suggest=p&pq=girl%20scouts&cp=13&gs_id=1f&xhr=t&q=girl+scouts+planned+parenthood&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=girl+scouts+p&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45960087,d.dmQ&fp=25132d1b7f050e52&biw=1024&bih=643
lifenews.com/2013/01/17/pro-life-group-warns-about-girl-scouts-planned-parenthood-ties/

And I found this site interesting from former Girl Scouts;
honestgirlscouts.com/

I realize that it’s difficult for some to accept this since they may have a daughter or what have you in GSA, But if it were my daughter and being a practicing Catholic, I’d be greatly concerned about that organization! Especially when they’re mentioned on EWTN radio who I trust. That’s where I first heard about it.

Peace, Mark
My daughter’s not quite old enough for scouts yet. I just have an interest in fairness and accuracy in the reporting of facts.

Regarding that EWTN series, here is a GSUSA press release in response:

EWTN Series Misses the Mark

The fact that the program at no time attempted to contact GSUSA for their response does not sit well with me at all. That’s just Journalism 101. You cannot run a story without hearing their side of the story (even if you think they are just giving you a line, you ought to give them the opportunity to give you that line and then prove why it’s just a line).

As pnewton said, a lot of it just seems like an enclosed circle of reporting. It’s the same half dozen sources all citing each other.

A lot is at stake here. I heard a story from someone whose daughter at a Catholic school was told by some of her classmates that she was going to hell because she was a Girl Scout. The “us vs. them” mentaility of the whole thing is not something we want to perpetuate unnecessarily.
 
…The fact that the program at no time attempted to contact GSUSA for their response does not sit well with me at all…
Do you have proof of this claim? Did EWTN acknowledge that they did not attempt to contact GSUSA?

I didn’t watch the EWTN special, but from my experience of watching news programs, they will indicate that they attempted to contact but they declined to participate or were unable to contact.

If someone here did watch the program, it would be nice to know if such an attempted contact or such could help settle the matter regarding the concern raised here.
 
Do you have proof of this claim? Did EWTN acknowledge that they did not attempt to contact GSUSA?

I didn’t watch the EWTN special, but from my experience of watching news programs, they will indicate that they attempted to contact but they declined to participate or were unable to contact.

If someone here did watch the program, it would be nice to know if such an attempted contact or such could help settle the matter regarding the concern raised here.
That’s just what the GSUSA press release about the program said. So I suppose it’s possible that GSUSA flatly lied about it. If I were writing a news piece about it and I were to follow my own advice (:o), I would have to contact EWTN and ask them if that were true before I could say anything more conclusive. In fairness to EWTN, they might have a particular reason for why they handled it the way they did.

I just hate to see a good Catholic news source accused of not being thorough. We get criticized enough about other things as Catholics, so I’d like to see us get our ducks in a row with stuff like this.
 
My daughter’s not quite old enough for scouts yet. I just have an interest in fairness and accuracy in the reporting of facts.

Regarding that EWTN series, here is a GSUSA press release in response:

EWTN Series Misses the Mark
I guess what bothers me about all the allegations is that the Girl Scouts keep denouncing Planned Parenthood and deny any partnership with the. Having seen many feminist organizations at work, I find this to be a singular response for anyone with ties to them. The usual response is to defend the tie, not deny it.

On thing the link above says, “Parents and volunteer troop leaders in Catholic churches HAVE TOTAL CONTROL of the Girl Scout programming their girls receive,” would lead me to believe there is some value in staying in and not allowing any unsuitable materials to be taught. Perhaps Cardinal Dolan is aware that the troops in his diocese are orthodox in their teaching.
 
Well, if nothing else, it’s nice to see the Girl Scouts are all “inclusive”.

usa.wagggsworld.org/en/resources

The Girl Scout Promise

On my honor, I will try:
To serve God* and my country,
To help people at all times,
And to live by the Girl Scout Law.
  • The word “God” can be interpreted in a number of ways, depending on one’s spiritual beliefs. When reciting the Girl Scout Promise, it is okay to replace the word “God” with whatever word your spiritual beliefs dictate.
 
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