Cardinal Dolan to Romney, Obama: Pledge to Play Nice

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Sorry. Irrelevant response. Who do you think is drinking kool aid? Maybe too much sugar in your diet.
Here are a few facts re Romney.He donated all of his inheritance to charity.He donated his time free of charge for turning the Olympics around in 2000. As governor,he didn’t collect a paycheck. He gives16 percent of his income to charity.as opposed to Obama,a measly one percent to charities.Biden and John Kerry even less than that.Gee who’s greedy?I know the Dems are really good about spending the taxpayers’money,however,they are pretty tightfisted with their own.:mad:Also,comparing Romney to Obama’s amateur status is an out and out lie. He was the Governor, and has realized tremendous success in the business world,just ask Bill Clinton;) Obama has zero experience in the private sector.
 
Yep. Jim Jones. Liberal cult leader. Your point?
Liberal…look again…he was an evangelical pastor before he went to Guiana. It’s out there.

John
 
Liberal…look again…he was an evangelical pastor before he went to Guiana. It’s out there.

John
You obviously don’t know much about Jim Jones. Read some more about him before you embarass yourself.
 
Right back at you.

John
No, seriously. I wasn’t insulting you. I was giving you a heads up, so you wouldn’t embarass yourself. The man was a Marxist and very actively supported Democrats in the Bay Area (Moscone, Willie Brown) where I grew up. They used to speak at his temple. He used religion to advance his Marxist views.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
Unlike most other figures deemed as cult leaders, Jones was able to gain public support and contact with prominent local and national United States politicians. For example, Jones and Moscone met privately with vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale on his campaign plane days before the 1976 election and Mondale publicly praised the Temple.[43][44] First Lady Rosalynn Carter also personally met with Jones on multiple occasions, corresponded with him about Cuba, and spoke with him at the grand opening of the San Francisco Democratic Party Headquarters where Jones garnered louder applause than Mrs. Carter.[43][45][46]
In September 1977, Willie Brown served as master of ceremonies at a large testimonial dinner for Jones attended by Governor Jerry Brown and Lieutenant Governor Mervyn Dymally and other political figures.[47]** At that dinner, while introducing Jones, Willie Brown stated “Let me present to you what you should see every day when you look in the mirror in the early morning hours… Let me present to you a combination of Martin King, Angela Davis, Albert Einstein… Chairman Mao.”[48] Harvey Milk, who spoke at political rallies at the Temple,[49] and wrote to Jones after a visit to the Temple: “Rev Jim, It may take me many a day to come back down from the high that I reach today. I found something dear today. I found a sense of being that makes up for all the hours and energy placed in a fight. I found what you wanted me to find. I shall be back. For I can never leave.”[50][51]
 
No, seriously. I wasn’t insulting you. I was giving you a heads up, so you wouldn’t embarass yourself. The man was a Marxist and very actively supported Democrats in the Bay Area (Moscone, Willie Brown) where I grew up.
Look a bit before that.

Robert, somewhere in my collection I have an old evangelical newsletter highlighting Jim Jones as a man of god (small g intentional).

We could go on and on about the Bay area politics…remember, Ed (twinky-defense) White?

John
 
Look a bit before that.

Robert, somewhere in my collection I have an old evangelical newsletter highlighting Jim Jones as a man of god (small g intentional).

We could go on and on about the Bay area politics…remember, Ed (twinky-defense) White?

John
Seriously? You want to keep digging that hole?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
In 1951, Jones became a member of the Communist Party USA, and began attending meetings and rallies in Indianapolis.[13] He became flustered with harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings,[13] particularly regarding an event he attended with his mother focusing on Paul Robeson, after which she was harassed by the FBI in front of her co-workers for attending.[14] He also became frustrated with ostracism of open communists in the United States, especially during the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.[15] This frustration, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones in which he asked himself "how can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."[13][14]
Jones’ interest in religion began during his childhood, primarily because he found making friends difficult, though initially he vacillated on his church of choice.[5] Jones was surprised when a Methodist superintendent helped him to get a start in the church even though he knew Jones to be a communist and Jones did not meet him through the Communist Party.[15] In 1952, Jones became a student pastor in Sommerset Southside Methodist Church, but claims he left that church because its leaders barred him from integrating blacks into his congregation.[13] Around this time, Jones witnessed a faith-healing service at the Seventh Day Baptist Church.[13] He observed that it attracted people and their money and concluded that, with financial resources from such healings, he could help accomplish his social goals.[13]
Jones organized a mammoth religious convention to take place June 11 through June 15, 1956, in a cavernous Indianapolis hall called Cadle Tabernacle. To draw the crowds, Jim needed a religious headliner, and so he arranged to share the pulpit with Rev. William M. Branham, a healing evangelist and religious author as highly revered by some as Oral Roberts and Billy Graham.[16]
Jones then began his own church, which changed names until it became the Peoples Temple Christian Church Full Gospel.[13] The People’s Temple was initially made as an inter-racial mission.
Jones moved away from the Communist Party when CPUSA members became critical of some of the policies of former Soviet leader Joseph Stalin.[15]
 
We could go on and on about the Bay area politics…remember, Ed (twinky-defense) White?

John
Sorry, I didn’t previously comment on Dan White (D) who killed Harvey Milk (D) who was also mentioned in the Wikipedia link I provided. Harvey Milk (D) was a big fan of your supposedly conservative, evangelical leader…along with the other Democrats who expressed adulation for Jones.

Done? Or, did you want to drag out the evidence from your personal collection?
 
Done? Or, did you want to drag out the evidence from your personal collection?
That would take considerably more effort than I intend to spend on this.

John
 
Well, I’m glad you stopped digging…though it would have been better if you had heeded my initial warning.
A simple Google search should suffice to show my contention.

Just did one.

John
 
A simple Google search should suffice to show my contention.

Just did one.

John
Mmmkay…go ahead and share what you found that shows Jim Jones as a conservative, political leader, who later turned far left before having his cult commit suicide by drinking KoolAid.
 
Remember, Jones started the People’s Temple in the midwest.

John
From that website…clicked on the link to People’s Temple:
apologeticsindex.org/p21.html#group
People’s Temple Christian Church, Jim Jones, Jonestown, Guyana: Jones, influenced by Unitarian Humanism, Father Divine, and Marxism, founded his church in 1977. He later claimed at various times to be God, Buddha, and Lenin. In 1978 at Jones’ command, 914 people (including Jones) committed suicide or were murdered. The group is now defunct.
 
Remember, Jones started the People’s Temple in the midwest.

John
Btw…there is nothing in the page you linked that describes Jones as conservative. He was a far left liberal, even when he was in the midwest, so I think you’ll have a tough time finding anything.
 
Btw…there is nothing in the page you linked that describes Jones as conservative.
Read back…I never said conservative,I said evangelical…quite different.

Have to change browsers, I have a game to play,

Be well,

John
 
Read back…I never said conservative,I said evangelical…quite different.

Have to change browsers, I have a game to play,

Be well,

John
All this started out with me claiming he was a liberal leader, and you challenging it. Now, you want to claim that all you were saying is he was an evangelical? You are unreal. 😛

Btw…I apologize to others for our diversion. When someone says something utterly ridiculous and uninformed, I can’t help but correct them.
 
Btw…I apologize to others for our diversion. When someone says something utterly ridiculous and uninformed, I can’t help but correct them.
I have the same failing,

John
 
Here are a few facts re Romney.He donated all of his inheritance to charity.He donated his time free of charge for turning the Olympics around in 2000. As governor,he didn’t collect a paycheck. He gives16 percent of his income to charity.as opposed to Obama,a measly one percent to charities.Biden and John Kerry even less than that.Gee who’s greedy?I know the Dems are really good about spending the taxpayers’money,however,they are pretty tightfisted with their own.:mad:Also,comparing Romney to Obama’s amateur status is an out and out lie. He was the Governor, and has realized tremendous success in the business world,just ask Bill Clinton;) Obama has zero experience in the private sector.
Donating money to charity does not qualify someone to be a US President. I also wonder how that information became public? Why would someone wear charitable donations on his sleeve, unless the intent is to purchase approbation?

Yes, Mr Romney is qualified to be a businessman. He has had great success there. Mr. Obama is qualified to teach constitutional law. His academic success is startling. Both of them are competent individuals in some areas.

Every US President is a patriot, and does his best for the country. Even though I am critical of them, I do my best to support the president, and our country, no matter who is in office.

In my opinion though, neither Romney, nor Obama are qualified to be president. Obama has demonstrated his lack of aptitude for the job. Mr. Romney just doesn’t have the resume that one would like to see for that particular job.

But worse than that, Mr. Romney is advocating a platform which has been proven not to work from past experience.

If he can articulate a plan which has a chance of achieving his stated goals of balancing the Federal budget, while stimulating the economy. And if he can come up with such a plan, without gutting important social services, such as education, health care for the needy, care for the elderly and the children… Then I would be a big supporter. I am suspicious of his refusal to disclose his financial information. What is he trying to hide? He has the right to privacy in those matters, as a private citizen, but not as an aspiring president. I am suspicious of his claim to want to repeal the affordable healthcare act, when it was modeled on the plan that he championed in MA. That smells of hypocrisy. I don’t trust him. It is hard to gage a person through all the PR and counterattacks. But he smells rotten to me. Maybe I am wrong. But my instincts were right about Mr. Bush, and Mr. Cheney.

Mr. Obama has not articulated such a plan either. But the economy is slowly improving, and we are doing much better than Europe. I disagree with his use of money in his so called recovery plan. But his plan was no worse than Mr. Bush’s. I am disappointed with the lack of economic reform that he promised, and which is sorely needed. As soon as he appointed his cabinet, it was obvious that his administration was going to be corrupt. He put the people who oversaw the financial collapse into the jobs to try to fix the problem, when some of them probably should have been prosecuted and put in prison, instead. I am disappointed that he was unable to nationalize our healthcare system. We know from looking at every other modern nation, that nationalized healthcare provides the only answer, that anyone has found yet, to provide good medical care at a reasonable cost. The problem with our healthcare system is the insurance companies. We just can’t afford to keep handing them huge profits, just for brokering healthcare services. The president failed to stand up to them. President Roosevelt did stand up to the banking industry in order to push through the fiscal reforms we needed at that time. Mr. Obama did not lead us strongly enough on the important issue of healthcare. So, we ended up with something that nobody is happy with, except the insurance companies, of course. What business wouldn’t want a law requiring every citizen to buy their product, and for this to be enforced by the IRS?

I find it very discouraging that we, as a nation, can’t come up with reasonable solutions to our problems, even when those solutions seem obvious.

There are a number of ways which we could become energy independent. The Danes and the Germans are rapidly doing so. Like Romney, every president talks about the importance of moving in that direction, and then they do nothing about it.

I think we need a parliamentary system which represents all voters more fairly. Corporations and lobbyists need to be limited in their influence. All political terms must be limited. If a president were to run on that simple platform, and appeared to have a legitimate chance of implementing those changes, then he or she would have my enthusiastic vote.

If our political process could be fixed, then we would have a much better prospect of solving these social and economic issues.
 
Ugh. Same old song and dance, epan. What’s the ROI for $1 spent in the insurance industry?

I also wonder what it was in Barack Obama’s resume that made you think he might be remotely qualified to be president.
 
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