Cardinal George apologizes for linking Pride Parade to KKK

[Cider]

I’ll get shot up for saying this, but I think the Cardinal was right the first time.

I think he was right the first time also

 

[incense]

I We should stand up for our faith and oppose those who wish to harm us, but I don’t think that means throwing false accusations against these people. In many cases I think it means turning the other cheek, as our Lord taught us to do,

Jesus defended the temple building by physically whipping the venders hanging out there. He didn’t turn the other cheek or have a dialogue with them.

No one on this list is advocating physical violence towards anybody. We’re simply defending the Bishop for correctly calling a spade a spade. Yet, some people think that he was too aggressive. They seem to be afraid of speaking the truth, because it will cause people to be upset. The truth is often ugly. Sometimes, diplomacy is speaking powerfully.

 

[Tsuwano]

You used the terrorist word, not the Bishop. He used the KKK word, probably because of the similarities of how the KKK marched in the street to intimidate Catholics, just as this parade was planning to do. That was the similarity and it was very accurate.

If you don’t want people to call attention to your behavior, don’t behave that way. Or man up and take it. Don’t try to shut down the churches on a Sunday morning and especially with lewd parades. Don’t act like the KKK. And don’t say that you’re so much a victim that you can’t ever possibly be the perpetrator.

Personally, if you believe the 10% figure that Kinsey gave, for the percentage of the population with homosexual tendencies, your statistics don’t prove there’s any more violence against homosexuals as any other group. Those 100 people in the youtube video spanned the world and time. That’s a pretty small amount of people. Homosexuals in the US make more money and have more political power than other groups. That’s how they got political victim status with the civil rights laws.

You’re right. I used the word terrorist to describe the KKK, which is the analogy the Cardinal used when describing the actions of the Gay Pride Movement. I’m not the only one who has called the KKK a terrorist organization and the Cardinal himself recognized the inappropriateness of his analogy in his apology. I have no problem with the Cardinal, you, or anyone else offering a critique of the methods used by the Gay Pride Movement, but comparing them to the KKK is a bit much and detracts from the legitimate arguments the Cardinal may use against their behavior. I haven’t offered any statistics attempting to prove anything in this thread. I have stated that it seems to me that there is more violence perpertrated against homosexuals by heterosexuals than the other way around. If you have any statistics proving otherwise, offer them up. I’m not interested if homosexuals have more money than anyone else. What concerns me is bigotry directed against any particular group . . . and yes, I include Catholics in that . . . and the false analogy that the Gay Pride Movement is akin to the KKK. It isn’t . . . and it seems the Cardinal, recognizing his error, agrees.

 

[incense]

I have stated that it seems to me that there is more violence perpertrated against homosexuals by heterosexuals than the other way around.

I’m not comparing homosexuals to heterosexuals.

9:31pm post

Again, you are comparing homosexuals and heterosexuals, while the issue is homosexuals persecuting Catholics.

I’m not impressed with victim identity. Mostly because it doesn’t build anything positive in itself, but the real purpose is to gain political power by claiming to be a victim.

 

[Tsuwano]

9:31pm post

Again, you are comparing homosexuals and heterosexuals, while the issue is homosexuals persecuting Catholics.

I’m not impressed with victim identity. Mostly because it doesn’t build anything positive in itself, but the real purpose is to gain political power by claiming to be a victim.

Read the title of the thread. The issue isn’t homosexuals persecuting Catholics. It is about Cardinal George linking a Gay Pride parade to the KKK and whether it was a mistake to do so. I think it was and more importantly, the Cardinal thinks it was, too.

 

[Tsuwano]

I’m really disappointed to see this turn of events. Ongoing discussion? The only people I see having an ongoing discussion on it are dissenters of Church teaching.

Are you refering to Cardinal George?

 

[Tsuwano]

Jesus defended the temple building by physically whipping the venders hanging out there. He didn’t turn the other cheek or have a dialogue with them.

No one on this list is advocating physical violence towards anybody. We’re simply defending the Bishop for correctly calling a spade a spade. Yet, some people think that he was too aggressive. They seem to be afraid of speaking the truth, because it will cause people to be upset. The truth is often ugly. Sometimes, diplomacy is speaking powerfully.

Are you suggesting we should physically whip homosexuals? Yes, Jesus chased the moneylenders out of the temple because they had defiled it by turning a house of prayer into a market place. This does not mean Jesus made a mistake when he told his disciples to turn the other cheek and to forgive those who offend you. Jesus was constantly in dialogue with others, including the Samaritan woman at the well, a notorious sinner, and others who wished to harm him. Why shouldn’t we talk with others? It doesn’t mean giving up our own position any more than Jesus was accepting of sin when he forgave sinners.
No one on this list is advocating physical violence, as you say, but words can incite violence towards others and we have to be aware of that. Many people have been harmed because of words and it is disingenous to believe that words do not have that power. You are defending the Bishop for calling a “spade a spade” you say, but the Bishop has no need of defending. He admits his words were wrong and has apologized for them. The people who organized the Gay Pride parade which upset the Bishop so much are not analogous to the KKK in any meaningful way. The Bishop recognizes this, but you don’t seem to. You are correct when you say that sometimes diplomacy means speaking powerfully, but meaningful diplomacy rarely degenerates into name calling or emotionally charged accusations.

 

[Tigg]

I’m really disappointed to see this turn of events. Ongoing discussion? The only people I see having an ongoing discussion on it are dissenters of Church teaching.

True…did the media quote him correctly? If so, Catholics have much to pray about.

 

[Teelynn]

So none of those were perpetrated by the Catholic Church or anyone representing the Catholic Church. So why are you persecuting us?

And you’re not seriously saying that there have been more homosexual victims of violence than Catholics??!!! I don’t know if anyone’s documented Catholics who were killed by homosexuals, we could start with the Roman emperors, Nero, Caligula.

But I’m more worried that the QKK is trying to kill our souls by stopping the practice of our religion.

A legitimate worry. The number one worry on the minds of the Bishops of this country is the loss of freedom of religion. I believe that statement came from Archbishop Dolan.

 

[incense]

Are you suggesting we should physically whip homosexuals? …
No one on this list is advocating physical violence, as you say, but words can incite violence towards others and we have to be aware of that.

No, I did not advocate violence against anyone as I clearly wrote and you clearly saw.

You misused scripture and I simply corrected you.

Trying to stereotype me are you? Trying to make others afraid to agree with me or they will be painted with the same slanderous brush. The Delphi technique, I’m well aware of it.

 

[incense]

I am only pointing out how the claim that gay rights activists are just as violent as the KKK is silly.

The point was that the KKK was trying to block churches and intimidate people from going to Sunday mass, just like the KKK did to Catholics.

 

[incense]

Read the title of the thread. The issue isn’t homosexuals persecuting Catholics. It is about Cardinal George linking a Gay Pride parade to the KKK and whether it was a mistake to do so. I think it was and more importantly, the Cardinal thinks it was, too.

Duh, the timing of the homosexual parade was a persecution of Catholics by homosexuals, that’s why he made the comparison. They were intimidating Catholics from going to Sunday mass.

 

[Tsuwano]

No, I did not advocate violence against anyone as I clearly wrote and you clearly saw.

You misused scripture and I simply corrected you.

Trying to stereotype me are you? Trying to make others afraid to agree with me or they will be painted with the same slanderous brush. The Delphi technique, I’m well aware of it.

Hmmm… I think you have my posts confused with someone else’s posts. I haven’t misused scripture at all. As for me trying to stereotype you . . . no, I think you’re doing a good job of that on your own. I’m happy you’re aware of the “Delphi technique.” I’m afraid I’m not.

 

[Tsuwano]

Duh, the timing of the homosexual parade was a persecution of Catholics by homosexuals, that’s why he made the comparison. They were intimidating Catholics from going to Sunday mass.

The Cardinal made a comparison which he admitted was a mistake. He apologized. The timing of the Gay Pride parade may have been a for the purpose of harrassing Catholics attending the liturgy, though I don’t know that it was. If it was, then the Church leaders should contact the organizers of the parade and the police to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Still, I hesitate to label what happened as “persecution.” It seems to me that the word persecution carries much more serious overtones than what actually happened. I think this thread has about run its course as far as I’m concerned, so you may direct your posts to someone else. Thank you for your thoughts on the matter.

 

[comrade1789]

So it is unacceptable for the Cardinal to compare the Gay Pride movement to the KKK, and yet just recently the Southern Poverty Law Center has listed as hate groups various pro-life initiatives including the Family Research Council, Illinois Family Institute, Mass Resistance, Abiding Truth Ministries and others for their stance against homosexual behavior.

So it is not ok to compare radical sodomites to KKK, but it is ok to compare people of faith who strive for chastity and holiness to the KKK.

Again, the gay agenda is a terrorist movement, beginning first with moral vandalism, evolving into cultural sabotage and subversion, and once completely institutionalized will indeed result in persecution and violence towards those who oppose them. In fact, in many places in America and the West this has already begun.

 

[OriginalJS]

His analogy is inappropriate. The KKK is a terrorist organization. The group organizing the “Gay Pride” march is not. Not only is the analogy inappropriate, but it weakens the Cardinal’s arguments and strengthens his opponents when extreme language such as this is used. Not only must one attempt to tell the truth, but one must attempt to tell it in such a way that the other person hears it. The Cardinal’s language does not allow his opponents to hear whatever truth he is speaking.

Agree completely. Use of extreme language is rarely, if ever, helpful.

 

[Skeptic92]

His analogy is inappropriate. The KKK is a terrorist organization. The group organizing the “Gay Pride” march is not. Not only is the analogy inappropriate, but it weakens the Cardinal’s arguments and strengthens his opponents when extreme language such as this is used. Not only must one attempt to tell the truth, but one must attempt to tell it in such a way that the other person hears it. The Cardinal’s language does not allow his opponents to hear whatever truth he is speaking.

Have you ever came across a gay pride march while coming out of Mass? I can assure you, even though they don’t use violence, some of those that March of these parades, are terrorists
Oxford Dictionary:

Terrorist:
noun
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims:

Terrorism
noun
[mass noun]
the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims:

I can definitely see widespread use of intimidation by those that March up to the Cathedral near me the last time they held the Gay Pride Parade, so they fit the definition of terrorists.

 

[Sherry_G]

So it is unacceptable for the Cardinal to compare the Gay Pride movement to the KKK, and yet just recently the Southern Poverty Law Center has listed as hate groups various pro-life initiatives including the Family Research Council, Illinois Family Institute, Mass Resistance, Abiding Truth Ministries and others for their stance against homosexual behavior.

So it is not ok to compare radical sodomites to KKK, but it is ok to compare people of faith who strive for chastity and holiness to the KKK.

Again, the gay agenda is a terrorist movement, beginning first with moral vandalism, evolving into cultural sabotage and subversion, and once completely institutionalized will indeed result in persecution and violence towards those who oppose them. In fact, in many places in America and the West this has already begun.

The only reason that the parade time was changed was to allow this group another opportunity to play the victim when they are really the aggressors. Their tactics are terroristic. They truly hate the Catholic church for speaking the truth about perverted sexual practices. The Church condemns the practice of homosexual sex, not the people themselves. The gays on the other hand, attack anyone who speaks the truth as taught by God himself. The media will use any excuse to keep the spotlight on the Church teachings in as negative a light as possible.

 

[comrade1789]

The only reason that the parade time was changed was to allow this group another opportunity to play the victim when they are really the aggressors. Their tactics are terroristic. They truly hate the Catholic church for speaking the truth about perverted sexual practices. The Church condemns the practice of homosexual sex, not the people themselves. The gays on the other hand, attack anyone who speaks the truth as taught by God himself. The media will use any excuse to keep the spotlight on the Church teachings in as negative a light as possible.

Exactly! And let us not for one second think we who hope in Christ will fare any better than John the Baptist, who also hoped in Him. John was imprisioned and then executed for speaking the truth of Marriage and Sexuality.

St. John the Baptist, pray for us.

 

[Teelynn]

Have you ever came across a gay pride march while coming out of Mass? I can assure you, even though they don’t use violence, some of those that March of these parades, are terrorists

I can definitely see widespread use of intimidation by those that March up to the Cathedral near me the last time they held the Gay Pride Parade, so they fit the definition of terrorists.

And it seems to me that Catholic Christians are being targeted from a few different directions from this culture of death. Not only are gay activists targeting Catholics (and Christians in general who do not buy into their lifestyle) but now we have the Administration pulling the conscience clause out from underneath of us with the new health care bill. Good ol’ Kathleen Sybilius of HHS has given us a one year reprieve to figure out (as Archbishop Dolan has said) how to violate our conscience.