Cardinal Mahony and the Tridentine mass.

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mystified said:
Don’t know if pictures are available with tortilla chips, but there were pictures of the archbishop with what appeared to be a Kool-Aid pitcher on the altar at Taj Mahony, the LA cathedral.
Left leaning? If he leans any farther, he better be right-handed because he might fall and break his other hand.
Watch for a sequel to last year’s skantilly-clad liturgical dancers from this week’s soiree Card. Mahony is sponsoring in the neighboring Diocese of Orange, which is part of the region “overseen” by LA.
LA and Orange dioceses graciously permit limited celebration of the EF in small, out of the way churches or chapels, mostly at times not very convenient for families. One 7 a.m. TLM in OC is just about as far north as you can go and still be in the diocese; and there is no public transportation available. On my visits there, I see a lot of people participating in the dialogue Mass who would not be suffering from nostalgia, because they were born since V2.
Haven’t been to the early Sunday morning TLM at San Juan Capistrano because it is 'way down at the other end of the county, but hear that it is SRO in the small Serra Chapel, rather than in the new basilica church.
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I do have to say that with how small Orange County is San Juan Capistrano can’t be that long of a drive. I’ve lived there my entire life until this last August. However, it is in the small Serra Chapel there. I haven’t been to it, though. I have insomnia.
 
 
Many people Catholic and others have very little respect for Cardinal Mahony. We must just pray for him that the Lord will change his heart.

I believe that he will be retiring soon. I just pray that the Holy Father will put in someone who believes that tradition is important and a conservative Cardinal. Yes Mahony is very liberal. Some of his actions have the media having a field day with him and it has brought shame, in my opinion to the Church.

As I said earlier we must just pray for him.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
I go to the Latin Mass in the Serra Chapel of the mission in San Juan Capistrano once or twice a month. It is always standing room only.

You would be amazed at the humber of young people who attend…and I’m talking TEENAGERS !!! The attendance at the NO masses at the new cathedral next door are nowhere near as well attended.

There are other churches within the L.A.Archdiocese that still have the Latin Mass…so Mahony hasn’t outlawed it…yet.
 
bkovacs said:
wdtprs.com/blog/2009/03/card-mahony-on-the-tridentine-mass/

Looks like the good Cardinal has just offended Traditional Catholics and even Eastern Catholics/Orthodox for that matter.:mad:
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While I don’t really agree with the the comments printed (I’m guessing at least to some degree they are out of context) they are certainly not nearly as offensive as many of the attacks of the OF I have seen on these pages.

What I find even more offensive is “Fr. Z’s” attempting to apply the Cardinal’s comments to the Eastern liturgies. While you may strongly disagree that “non participation” quality the Cardinal perceives with the Tridentine Mass, it is NOT a part of at least the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom.

All that “fr. z” did was try to offend more people.
 
Gardenman said:
I go to the Latin Mass in the Serra Chapel of the mission in San Juan Capistrano once or twice a month. It is always standing room only.

You would be amazed at the humber of young people who attend…and I’m talking TEENAGERS !!! The attendance at the NO masses at the new cathedral next door are nowhere near as well attended.

There are other churches within the L.A.Archdiocese that still have the Latin Mass…so Mahony hasn’t outlawed it…yet.
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He’s through in 2011. Ain’t gonna happen.
 
Stromboli said:
While I don’t really agree with the the comments printed (I’m guessing at least to some degree they are out of context) they are certainly not nearly as offensive as many of the attacks of the OF I have seen on these pages.

What I find even more offensive is “Fr. Z’s” attempting to apply the Cardinal’s comments to the Eastern liturgies. While you may strongly disagree that “non participation” quality the Cardinal perceives with the Tridentine Mass, it is NOT a part of at least the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom.

All that “fr. z” did was try to offend more people.
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I think what he is alluding to is the fact that the Divine Liturgy doesn’t, nor ever will have, extraordinary ministers of holy communion (EMHC), the laity standing behind the iconostasis (EMHCs) around the Holy Table, altar girls, or people holding hands and raising them up in the air, during the Our Father, as well as folk music where everyone in the pews starts singing and clapping. The Divine Liturgy has way more in common with the Tridentine Mass, than it does with the New Mass. Women are NOT allowed behind the iconostasis, and only boys are allowed to be altar servers. And that will never change!.
 
“Does not instill…???”

I would like to dare the Cardinal to face the countless named and unnamed saints who have been nourished by Christ through the Latin Mass.
 
psr13 said:
I’m not sure about in LA County, but Orange County is pretty well attended by the EF (TLM). Orange County is directly to the south of LA County in case you don’t know. Orange County has at least two EF Masses. I’m not sure if the one in Huntington Beach is back or not. I believe they are well attended even though they are at 7AM. Both of them are either at that time or right around it. Now, Orange County (the Diocese is the same as the county) is not a large county. If you look at a map you can barely see it. There is also an independent church which isn’t in communion with Rome. It’s in the last place I expected to find a Latin Mass. They have three Masses every Sunday that are overfull. People do stand in the narthex type area and outside at every Sunday Mass. I’m not sure how well attended the daily Masses are.

Last time I checked LA County had one EF Mass a week. They were at one church the 1st Sunday of the month, another the 2nd Sunday of the Month, and so on.
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There are a lot more EF Masses in OC now.

7.30 am, Polish Center, Yorba Linda (far north part of the county)
8am (with an extra 6.30 am on first sunday)-Mission San Juan Capistrano (far south)
12 noon-St Mary’s by the Sea, Huntington Beach (mid/north)
12.30-St. John the Baptist, Costa Mesa (mid county)

Then there is also another church that is of questionable communion (simillar in status to the SSPX but a little farther adrift, refuses to associate even with the Society) that offers several.
 
skatepixie said:
There are a lot more EF Masses in OC now.

7.30 am, Polish Center, Yorba Linda (far north part of the county)
8am (with an extra 6.30 am on first sunday)-Mission San Juan Capistrano (far south)
12 noon-St Mary’s by the Sea, Huntington Beach (mid/north)
12.30-St. John the Baptist, Costa Mesa (mid county)

Then there is also another church that is of questionable communion (simillar in status to the SSPX but a little farther adrift, refuses to associate even with the Society) that offers several.
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Well, I mentioned four of them. As far as I have heard St Mary’s is the OF in Latin. I’m not sure if that is correct, though. As far as I know the other church doesn’t associate with the SSPX because it doesn’t use the later Missal. I believe they use the one from 1952 or thereabouts. I could check mine to be sure, but my husband moved it.
 
psr13 said:
Well, I mentioned four of them. As far as I have heard St Mary’s is the OF in Latin. I’m not sure if that is correct, though. As far as I know the other church doesn’t associate with the SSPX because it doesn’t use the later Missal. I believe they use the one from 1952 or thereabouts. I could check mine to be sure, but my husband moved it.
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Yeah, it’s all good. I wasn’t just replying to you only, but also to others in the thread who were saying that there were two and those only early in the morning. 🙂
 
I now live in the Diocese of San Bernardino. It is directly east of Los Angeles and Orange. It is geographically huge, and as far as I can tell has one EF Mass.
 
Gardenman said:
I go to the Latin Mass in the Serra Chapel of the mission in San Juan Capistrano once or twice a month. It is always standing room only.

You would be amazed at the humber of young people who attend…and I’m talking TEENAGERS !!! The attendance at the NO masses at the new cathedral next door are nowhere near as well attended.

There are other churches within the L.A.Archdiocese that still have the Latin Mass…so Mahony hasn’t outlawed it…yet.
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I think the capacity for the Serra Chapel is only for a few hundred vs. the large Basilica, and as most of the people are coming from other parishes, the chapel gets filled up.

St. Thomas More in Irvine also has the Tridentine Mass (once a month) in addition to the ones mentioned. St. Cecilia in Tustin might be starting one soon, so if anyone is a member of that parish, let the pastor know you want the Tridentine Mass there!

Last time I went, the St. Thomas More Mass didn’t have a lot of attendees. I don’t even know if many people are aware of the Mass there, so I encourage people to go so that it won’t get canceled from poor attendance as I think it might be on an experimental basis.
 
I’ve been to Latin Masses and said the responses, as did the other attendees. I think that was called a dialogue mass. I’ve also been to Latin Masses and not said the responses aloud, but said them to myself. In both cases I participated.
 
I don’t think the good Cardinal understands the meaning of “participate” as it relates to the Holy Mass. :rolleyes:
 
porthos11 said:
“Does not instill…???”

I would like to dare the Cardinal to face the countless named and unnamed saints who have been nourished by Christ through the Latin Mass.
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The day will come he will face far worse than that. We should pray for his soul and all those under his care. His views are disturbing, to say the least.
 
I recall his anger with Mother Angelica , and his lack of charity and overwhelming pride

I have always felt that Pope John Paul II secretly sided with Mother…😉 He sent her a lovely gift not long after…not sure he sent anything to the Cardinal…🤷
 
skatepixie said:
There are a lot more EF Masses in OC now.

7.30 am, Polish Center, Yorba Linda (far north part of the county)
8am (with an extra 6.30 am on first sunday)-Mission San Juan Capistrano (far south)
12 noon-St Mary’s by the Sea, Huntington Beach (mid/north)
12.30-St. John the Baptist, Costa Mesa (mid county)

Then there is also another church that is of questionable communion (simillar in status to the SSPX but a little farther adrift, refuses to associate even with the Society) that offers several.
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Where is the quasi SSPX chapel? I’ve lived in OC all my life and been into tradition for a few years now, and never heard of it. What’s the name of the chapel??
 
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