This is my only my opinion, but it appears to me that the new theological learning is taking us farther away from the truth, as it was originally taught. I think the older Catechisms got it right and that much of the new learning since then is suggesting one can freely sin without feelings of shame and guilt, or fear of wrong doing, and that somehow we are not responsible for our actions or our weaknesses.
Given the tone of your contribution, perhaps not even putting your hands in his side would help in understanding how grace can be operative in deeply flawed lives
.Josie as per my previous post #545 I will not be responding to your questions sorry.
I had to go back to find that post. I forgot what you wrote, but that is fine with me.
Quite arrogant of you to presume that I am unreceiving. And how do you know whether I’ve come to the TV program halfway through. I follow many discussions on these forums without commenting… just look at the number of posts compared to my time here, and you’d figure that out.
We are talking about two persons. Why the need to go so off track?
A sensible context is required Blue. Just as we’re not considering the insane, we’re not considering people who weren’t aware that they are not supposed to go sleep with folks not their spouse! Culpability is a further judgement. Regret yet another.
Rau I have explained my vocabulary and positions to you because you asked.
Your gift to me. I wish to remember this thought
What gives you the impression that the new Catechism suggests one can sin freely? Is it because the Church doesn’t categorically refuse burial to those who commit suicide? Is it because we no longer relax heretics to secular governments for execution? Is it because we no longer shun the divorced even women who divorced because their husband physically abused them and have not remarried?
This is my only my opinion, but it appears to me that the new theological learning is taking us farther away from the truth, as it was originally taught. I think the older Catechisms got it right and that much of the new learning since then is suggesting one can freely sin without feelings of shame and guilt, or fear of wrong doing, and that somehow we are not responsible for our actions or our weaknesses.
It is not the Catechism itself but the way it is interpreted that concerns me. It appears to me that we are headed toward the belief that enslavement to passion reduces culpability in that one’s will is weakened. If this is the case, then the sinner must strengthen their will with fasting, penance and prayer. Believing a sexual addiction (a weakness) may reduce ones culpability, is like denying it is a sin at all, so they may then sin freely without guilt. I think it is best left up to God to judge culpability, we must not assume anything that may not be true. Again, this is just my opinion.
That isn’t how it works as all and the person is still supposed to confess the sins as they are supposed to do all grave matters. They are supposed to confess it because they cannot personally know if it was a mortal sin or if the culpability was diminished enough that it was not a mortal sin.
I agree with you, but from my many conversions with others on this subject, that is not always how everyone sees it. Too often I here “we should not judge others”, that does not help anyone. First we must judge their actions, then we can lead them to salvation. Let us remember why a person is weak, why they gave into the temptation and who tempted them. It is not something to be taken lightly. It is a battle between good and evil.
Not judging other means not to judge the state of their soul.
True, only God can judge the soul, but if someone’s actions are going against the teachings of Jesus Christ, or the words in the Bible as written by His followers and the Teachings of the Church, then we can assume they are heading on the.wrong path.
Do these people actually claim the Catechism tells them so?
Seamus could you quote the text you believe argues for “homosexual marriage” - as opposed to giving lesser unions some legal rights.
You are free to post Such a link; they are not in schism.