Cardinal McCarrick & King Abdullah

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As stated - Allah is Arabic for God. The Chaldean Catholics, Melkite Catholics and Maronite Catholics all pray to Allah in their Liturgies.

The Polish word for God is Bog, which is pronounced much like “bug”.

Come on, folks, the whole world doesn’t speak American Idiomatic English.

As for my thoughts on Cardinal McCarrick - I should remove the log from my eye before pointing out the splinter in his.
 
As far as I’m concerned there is a connection between the lslamic religion and terrorism. Just Rabbi Dalin points out. Aren’t Islamic governments terrorists supporters? I think Cardinal McCarrick should explain himself.

Dr. Warren Carrol says it himself, “Islam cannot be a peaceful religion because it doesn’t recognize the trinity, which enables Christians to teach that God is love.”
 
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bekalc:
Now, I definetly think Muslims need to be evangelized but I will sya this don’t ever tell Muslims that Allah is not God.
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I guess the problem started because Cardinal McCarrick can’t speak Arabic. if he spoke in Arabic and called the Most High “Allah”, there would have been no news.
 
Guys, about JP2 kissing the Koran, he did not actually kiss it, he rather held it up, and in the picture he looks like he’s kissing it.

I read it on Wikipedia a while ago. Unfortunately I don’t remember the name of the article.
 
The reason I say don’t tell Muslims Allah isn’t God, is because thats what Arabic christians use for the name God too.
 
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bekalc:
The reason I say don’t tell Muslims Allah isn’t God, is because thats what Arabic christians use for the name God too.
Yes. But when most Muslims think of Allah, they are thinking of something other than who God is. The distinction is critically important.
 
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Brad:
Yes. But when most Muslims think of Allah, they are thinking of something other than who God is. The distinction is critically important.
Although the moslems have an extremely different concept of God, the Church maintains that their Allah is still the same God as ours. Not that anyone ‘owns’ God, but what I’m trying to say is that the Church doesn’t teach that they are worshipping an idol. Here’s a link that might help you out:

catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0207bt.asp

Honestly, I wish that I was wrong on this point so if I’m misunderstanding something, please let me know!
 
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JSmitty2005:
Although the moslems have an extremely different concept of God, the Church maintains that their Allah is still the same God as ours. Not that anyone ‘owns’ God, but what I’m trying to say is that the Church doesn’t teach that they are worshipping an idol. Here’s a link that might help you out:

catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0207bt.asp

Honestly, I wish that I was wrong on this point so if I’m misunderstanding something, please let me know!
I know that the Church doesn’t think they engaging in idol worship. But the Church does think they are practicing a Christian heresy. And the Church does think that when a Catholic refers to God in prayer, it should be God the Father, Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit - most especially a Cardinal.

Nowhere does the Church say it is a Cardinal’s job to be politically correct.
 
He has gone way out of line. The language used it very much the sound of shiek as opposed to a prince of the church.
 
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Brad:
I know that the Church doesn’t think they engaging in idol worship. But the Church does think they are practicing a Christian heresy. And the Church does think that when a Catholic refers to God in prayer, it should be God the Father, Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit - most especially a Cardinal.

Nowhere does the Church say it is a Cardinal’s job to be politically correct.
I totally agree. The only thing that I’m not sure about is that I think Islam is considered apostasy rather than heresy. Check this article out.

catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0305clas.asp
(*note the title & editor’s note)
 
I think that what it boils down to is the fact that McCarrick is not an Arab, not an Arabic speaker, and not a member of one of the Eastern Rites. In my opinion, he bent over backwards to be ecumenical. It would have been much easier to just say God, but it took some unnecessary effort to say Allah. I don’t think that anything positive could possibly come out of this statement, so I don’t really know why he chose to say it, but only he and God know that and what’s done is done.
 
Allah, when used by an English speaker, implies the unitary deity professed (in error, we believe) by Muslims. The unfortunate implication to Muslims by the Cardinal’s use of the word without trinity-affirming qualification, is that he is implicitly endorsing the Muslim faith of the non-trinitarian Supreme Being. I think this goes way beyond the bounds of proper ecumenical expression and can create great uncertainty and error, whether or not intended.

He should know better.
 
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fkpl:
Allah, when used by an English speaker, implies the unitary deity professed (in error, we believe) by Muslims. The unfortunate implication to Muslims by the Cardinal’s use of the word without trinity-affirming qualification, is that he is implicitly endorsing the Muslim faith of the non-trinitarian Supreme Being. I think this goes way beyond the bounds of proper ecumenical expression and can create great uncertainty and error, whether or not intended.

He should know better.
Amen brotha! 😛
 
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fkpl:
Allah, when used by an English speaker, implies the unitary deity professed (in error, we believe) by Muslims.
Wrong. Allah, when spoken to an English audience means the God of Islam. When spoken to an Arabic-speaking Jordanian audience, it simply means God.
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fkpl:
The unfortunate implication to Muslims by the Cardinal’s use of the word without trinity-affirming qualification, is that he is implicitly endorsing the Muslim faith of the non-trinitarian Supreme Being.
Again, wrong. There is nothing unfortunate here. The King of Jordan probably knows more about Trinitarian beliefs than many so-called catholics. One of my co-workers is a devout Muslim. It would be presumptuous to lecture him about the Trinity.

Furthermore, King Abdullah worships only one God - Allah - that is, God. If Cdl McCarrick wanted to convey the Trinitarian doctrines to him and presuming he is utterly ignorant of this belief, he would not only have to use the english word “God” and the formula “Father, Son, and Spirit”, but he would also have to explain himself so that the poor guy doesn’t think the good Cardinal is espousing Polytheism.

Your argument stinks. If it were applied to your life or life in general, every time a person says “God bless you” after someone sneezes, they would have to use the trinitarian formula and/or explain themselves. And all past departures from this rule would merit strong rebuke.

And btw, recite the first five words of the Nicene Creed to yourself. Laugh when you find yourself in error.

I think this goes way beyond the bounds of proper ecumenical expression and can create great uncertainty and error, whether or not intended.
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fkpl:
He should know better.
At worst, the dear Cardinal was being slightly corny trying to use words from an unfamiliar language. Even boasting, if you want.

I highly doubt it.

So, I propose Cdl McCarrick had Wisdom on his side this time. Even as his many critics sneer, they overlooked a certain fact. Some, from when they spawned until the day they heard him say Allah, they knew not what it meant. But, now they do.

And you betcha next time they hear a Muslim say Allah, they’ll know for sure that it means GOD - and not some minor, other deity.

The Cardinal does know better.

Finally, let me get this straight. Some trad sites say Allah is evil(Satan). So, a merciful and just God, who is the only God, and who is viewed almost the same way as God from the OT, is also the embodiment of evil? Compare Satanism to Islam and lay off the substances.
 
Vincent N:
Allah, when spoken to an English audience means the God of Islam.
This is the problem and why, in the words of fkpl, what he said “goes way beyond the bounds of proper ecumenical expression and can create great uncertainty and error, whether or not intended.” He was speaking at Catholic University of America. He wasn’t in Jordan. Why would he translate that one word to Arabic and not his entire statement?..False ecumenism. :mad:
 
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mlchance:
From the recommended site we get slander. Yet another site and yet another teenager pretending to have the experience and wisdom to pass judgment on the Pope.

How embarrasingly presumptuous.

– Mark L. Chance.
I was just putting it out there. Aren’t you guys in the “open-minded” bunch? JPII was a great pope…most of the time. IMHO, he should have never kissed the Koran, though. He also took ecumenism/interfaith “dialogue” (whatever that means :confused: ) a little too far for me. He could have put the smack down on the sex scandals a little more swiftly and severely and he shouldn’t have tolerated the liturgical nonsense that we see at WYD Masses. Again, these are just my opinions. I think he was an overall great man and I wish for his canonization and being called John Paul “the Great,” but that doesn’t mean I agree with the guy on everything.

Yet another adult pretending to have the experience and wisdom to pass judgment on a teenager’s intentions.

How embarrasingly presumptuous.
 
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