Cardinal Sarah Builds a Bridge to Christ’s True Peace and Joy

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The same is true of James Martin. Do you think his superiors would have permitted him to publish a book that contained heresy? It’s controversial, because the Gospel has always been controversial and counter intuitive. That’s why we sinners need of a savior.
If Fr. James Martin’s superiors agreed with him instead of correcting him that is sad.

Yes, the Gospel is controversial because in order to obey it we need God’s grace through prayer and the sacraments He gave us. When we receive those graces it is possible to obey all the hard moral teachings that really set us free and bring us His peace. That is why we need a Savior.
 
So the bridge to peace and joy is built by imprisoning gay people and persecuting them. Got it.👍

Ignoring his anti-human (un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/) views on gay people and the inhuman way they are treated in Africa, the man still seems to have very little knowledge of the true African culture and traditions that were prevalent before Islam and Christianity got there. which is kinda ironic considering his line of defense against “European mentality”. So who is stupid now, I dare say, huh?

With a man like this Catholics don’t even need enemies. 🙂
I’m curious how an atheist determines that a view, or anything, is “antihuman”. If you label something “antihuman” you are implicitly stating that there is an objective Human Nature that this “antihuman” thing is infringing upon or violating. So what is Human Nature, and how is it determined?
 
If Fr. James Martin’s superiors agreed with him instead of correcting him that is sad.

Yes, the Gospel is controversial because in order to obey it we need God’s grace through prayer and the sacraments He gave us. When we receive those graces it is possible to obey all the hard moral teachings that really set us free and bring us His peace. That is why we need a Savior.
:hmmm: Exactly what part of the book do you think should be corrected?

Also, could you fill me in on some of those hard teachings of Jesus that relate to sexual sin? I think it was more of an issue for Paul, who had to contend with the wild and wacky world of the Roman Empire, where sex & power went hand in hand and a level of debauchery that puts today’s standards to shame was the norm. This just shows the importance of context.

When it came to orthopraxy (right behavior) what Jesus offered was extremely mild in relation to what Jews believed the Law demanded. Hence…

"Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for yourselves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light.” - Mt 11:28-30

When I think of the hard teachings of Jesus, it’s not the “sins of the flesh”, but stuff like “love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you” that comes to mind. This way of thinking is really hard and requires much grace.
 
:hmmm: Exactly what part of the book do you think should be corrected?

Also, could you fill me in on some of those hard teachings of Jesus that relate to sexual sin? I think it was more of an issue for Paul, who had to contend with the wild and wacky world of the Roman Empire, where sex & power went hand in hand and a level of debauchery that puts today’s standards to shame was the norm. This just shows the importance of context.

When it came to orthopraxy (right behavior) what Jesus offered was extremely mild in relation to what Jews believed the Law demanded. Hence…

"Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for yourselves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light.” - Mt 11:28-30

When I think of the hard teachings of Jesus, it’s not the “sins of the flesh”, but stuff like “love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you” that comes to mind. This way of thinking is really hard and requires much grace.
In responding to the message I sent you did not quote the last part where Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery “Go and sin no more”. (After He said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”)

Yes, Jesus our Lord gives us rest when we take His yoke upon us and learn from Him. That also requires obedience to the Church on faith and morals; the Church that He gave authority to.

I very much agree with your last paragraph about loving enemies and those who persecute us. With the Lord’s grace that is possible.

I do not advocate hate towards those with same-sex attraction, or anyone. With the grace of the Lord all of us have challenges in our life that can be endured.

Peace,

Dorothy

Father Martin could have mentioned the ministry “Courage”, which encourages those with the cross of SSA.
 
In responding to the message I sent you did not quote the last part where Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery “Go and sin no more”. (After He said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”)

Yes, Jesus our Lord gives us rest when we take His yoke upon us and learn from Him. That also requires obedience to the Church on faith and morals; the Church that He gave authority to.

I very much agree with your last paragraph about loving enemies and those who persecute us. With the Lord’s grace that is possible.

I do not advocate hate towards those with same-sex attraction, or anyone. With the grace of the Lord all of us have challenges in our life that can be endured.

Peace,

Dorothy

Father Martin could have mentioned the ministry “Courage”, which encourages those with the cross of SSA.
Right, Jesus pretty much limited his comments to adultery and mercifully abrogated the Old Testament penal code that went with it. No more stoning!

Eliminating the punishment must have seemed like he was condoning the sin, but his last words show he wasn’t. If you pay close attention, you’ll notice that the woman never asks for forgiveness, but is simply met with love and mercy.

Father Martin would say let’s be like Jesus and stop punishing LGBT people and demanding that they repent before offering them our love & mercy. I say Amen to that.
 
Right, Jesus pretty much limited his comments to adultery and mercifully abrogated the Old Testament penal code that went with it. No more stoning!

Eliminating the punishment must have seemed like he was condoning the sin, but his last words show he wasn’t. If you pay close attention, you’ll notice that the woman never asks for forgiveness, but is simply met with love and mercy.

Father Martin would say let’s be like Jesus and stop punishing LGBT people and demanding that they repent before offering them our love & mercy. I say Amen to that.
Has Fr. Martin ever said homosexuals must stop committing homosexual sins and repent eventually?

Jesus can read the minds of people; people, even priests, cannot.

He may have read her heart that was sorrowful for her sins.

Do people even consider same-sex behavior sins anymore to have the thought of eve, repenting in the first place?
 
Father Martin would say let’s be like Jesus and stop punishing LGBT people and demanding that they repent before offering them our love & mercy. I say Amen to that.
I agree that we should not “punish” and “demand”, but we need to speak the truth in love and peace.

In Jesus,

Dorothy
 
The people living in sin described in the Bible probably knew what they were doing is not right.

The secular message today is that having SSA is normal; ergo, having same-sex behavior is also normal and not sinful.

The Catholic Church says otherwise because SSA is one of numerous manifestations of fallen human nature and that LGBT are called to celibacy or marriage to opposite sex.

How is that “punishing”?

People don’t go to hell for being gay; people may end up in hell for unrepentant mortal sins.
 
So the bridge to peace and joy is built by imprisoning gay people and persecuting them. Got it.👍

Ignoring his anti-human (un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/) views on gay people and the inhuman way they are treated in Africa, the man still seems to have very little knowledge of the true African culture and traditions that were prevalent before Islam and Christianity got there. which is kinda ironic considering his line of defense against “European mentality”. So who is stupid now, I dare say, huh?

With a man like this Catholics don’t even need enemies. 🙂
Reading what you quoted, Cardinal Sarah certainly doesn’t come off looking too good. But is that paragraph fair? Not necessarily; I haven’t seen the whole speech, and I’m not convinced that he called it stupid *because *it “called on African nations to repeal laws that place sanctions on homosexual conduct”.
 
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