Cardinal Sarah: return to Communion directly on the tongue while kneeling

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Fauken said:
That’s technically apostasy, not heresy, as it is a total departure from the Christian faith.
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No. They didn’t apostatize from anything. Those faiths developed independently from Catholicism.
 
Some of the comments on this thread are distressing. To speak about the Eucharist as if it were a party favour to which everyone is entitled, which should be passed out quickly and not made a fuss about. As Catholics you all claim to believe that that host is Jesús, truly present. Giving himself for you every day. And you talk about him with cynicism and irreverence.

Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore You profoundly, and I offer you the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifference with which He Himself is offended. And through the infinite merits of His most Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I beg of You the conversion of poor sinners. Amen..
Prayer taught by the angel of Fatima
 
Yeah that’s way excessive and betrays an attitude of “sigh, let’s get this chore over and done with ASAP.”

With 250 people, there should be no more than 2 or 3 Ordinary Ministers and 2 or 3 Extraordinary Ministers.

Mass is supposed to be a joining of the Eternal with the temporal - if all you are thinking about during Mass is time, you’re doing it wrong.
 
I wonder if those same people stay glued to their tv for 3 hours for a football game?

I guess God just aint as important as “da bears.”

They would never survive in Russian Orthodoxy - Sunday Liturgy routinely runs 3 hours, and Liturgies on feasts like Easter can run for 4-6 hours.
 
Excuse me, I should have been clearer! I meant that the faith systems themselves are apostasy
 
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The Russian Orthodox have an “all night vigil” for use on Easter and certain feasts that, when done in full, is literally all night.

The service will start around 6 or 7 pm, run nonstop until 11pm, then take a break for water and a light snack, then continue at Midnight.

Then continue the rest of the night until Dawn, then take a break before starting Matins then Liturgy.

The full service including Liturgy is about 15 hours long.

Very few places do the full marathon liturgy like that though, not even most monasteries will do that full grueling liturgy.

It really takes heroic virtue to pray a 15 hour Liturgy.

The Russians don’t play around with Church - they have some incredible liturgical traditions. The Russian Church has produced some of the greatest Saints of all time (like St. Seraphim of Sarov and St. Basil the fool for Christ).

I spent 9 months as a Russian Orthodox catechumen and learned a lot from them.
 
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I believe there’s a difference between a formal heretic and a material one. Formal being one that was raised in truth and turned from it, material being one that never knew better.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
believe there’s a difference between a formal heretic and a material one. Formal being one that was raised in truth and turned from it, material being one that never knew better.
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Exactly.

The majority of Protestants are, sadly, material heretics.

Only a small minority however are formal heretics.

And an even smaller minority are not formal or material heretics, but only schismatic (some high-Church Anglo-Catholics would be in this category).

But the Church since V-II has done away with the labels of “heretic” and “schismatic” - they are simply too harsh, and only further inflame tensions and rend the Body of Christ - She now classifies all those as “separated brethren and sistren.”

Just know when we say “separated brothers and sisters,” it is a blanket statement for all non-Catholic Christians who are either technically in material or formal heresy or schism.
 
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Augustinian said:
shinto and krishna consciousness are
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Those are not heresies.

They are simply pagan, non-Abrahamic beliefs.

A heresy is a belief in the context of Christianity which denies an explicit dogma or doctrine of faith. Those outside of Christendom are neither schismatics, heretics, or apostates. They are either heathens/pagans or infidels (or in less technical, more ecumenical language, they are those of non-Abrahamic faith traditions or those without any faith).

One could make an argument that Islam contains various heresies however - Mohammed was heavily influenced by heretical Nestorian monks and Arianism.
 
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When Cardinal Sarah gets elected the next pope I’m going to start a company to re-install altar rails in all the churches, anyone want to get in on this great business opportunity?
 
twf said:
It’s still the norm at my local Cathedral… at all 4 daily Masses and all 7 Sunday Masses. Those who wish to receive standing process down the centre aisle. Those who wish to receive kneeling at the altar rail process down either side. I would say it’s about 50/50 at all Masses. Been like that as far back as I remember, under at least the last two archbishops. Maybe it never changed after the council here… not sure.
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That’s actually really cool
 
jim1130 said:
AllI did ask was should i kneel.

Your comment did not answer my question.
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I’ll answer your question. It depends where the Mass is being celebrated.

The Church lets the conferences of Bishops of each country decide how the faithful should receive Holy Communion in their country. Here in the United States, the bishops have decided the normative posture for the faithful to receive Holy Communion is standing up, receiving the blessed sacrament either on the tongue or in the hands.

As stated on their website:

“The General Instruction [of the Roman Missal] asks each country’s Conference of Bishops to determine the posture to be used for the reception of Communion and the act of reverence to be made by each person as he or she receives Communion. In the United States, the body of Bishops determined that Communion should be received standing, and that a bow is the act of reverence made by those receiving. These norms may require some adjustment on the part of those who have been used to other practices, however the significance of unity in posture and gesture as a symbol of our unity as members of the one body of Christ should be the governing factor in our own actions.

Those who receive Communion may receive either in the hand or on the tongue, and the decision should be that of the individual receiving, not of the person distributing Communion. If Communion is received in the hand, the hands should first of all be clean. If one is right handed the left hand should rest upon the right. The host will then be laid in the palm of the left hand and then taken by the right hand to the mouth. If one is left-handed this is reversed. It is not appropriate to reach out with the fingers and take the host from the person distributing.”

The Reception of Holy Communion at Mass
 
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Years ago it was my job to make sure any particles fell on the paten, a job I took most seriously and proudly. 😂

Recently a younger priest made sure the host and the plate that had the other consecrated hosts on it was under my chin. He obviously believes in the Real Presence unlike many others.
 
Indeed. I wonder if Christ’s disciples walked behind Him collecting every hair or skin particle He shed?

Or were they more concerned with the bigger picture of who He was, and what He taught? And thus honoured the person our Lord, instead of hairs and skin particles undistinguishable from any one else’s.

Sometimes we can’t see the forest for the trees!
 
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