Caring for the poor

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I never said it wasn’t about government or laws or taxes.

Thanks for your No answer!
 
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Lemuel said:
I never said it wasn’t about government or laws or taxes.
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So what’s the issue? Pup gave you the New Testament scripture about the morality of taxation.

Jesus also did not say you must compel others to help the poor.

What’s the problem?

Again, instead of just saying no answer (I answered your question. I said No, Jesus said no such thing), get to the point. Instead of deflecting here and there.
  1. Jesus did not say we are compelled to force others to help the poor. That is a fact. Nowhere does he or anywhere else in the Bible say that.
  2. St. Paul tells us we need to pay taxes. That is also a fact.
So again, what is the issue? And do not repeat your “you did not answer my question” because I’m doing it right here (#1 above. Again: THE ANSWER IS NO.)

What I’m demanding from you is to stop the back-and-forth and make your premise.
 
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If you support laws that force people to pay to feed the needy are you forcing others against their will to do what you think they should do?
 
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If you support laws that force people to pay to feed the needy are you forcing others against their will to do what you think they should do?
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Identify such laws. Because tax laws do not demand that of you.

Tax laws demand that you pay the government X amount of dollars or face penalty. Tax laws do not direct money to caring for the poor, or any other kind of expenditure. It is purely to acquire revenue.

So again. What is the issue behind your question?

Do not start up this “you’re not answering my question” nonsense. Make your point. Preferably with a sentence that ends in a period, not a question mark.
 
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Working 40 hours at minimum wage with no benefits is $15,000 annually. The poverty line is 12,000
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And you pay Federal taxes on that $15K.

What I meant was there is a lower threshold below which one does not pay tax (or gets it all back - the equivalent of not paying). It used to be $2500; I’m not sure what it is now.
 
Welfare money comes from taxes that we pay. If not voluntarily then by force. My dilemma is that I know the poor need to be taken care of and I’m happy to do it but I think it’s wrong to force others to do it just because I think it’s right.
 
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Welfare money comes
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…from tax revenue. Yes.

You are required to pay taxes.

If you (royal “YOU” here) don’t like this, and since you personally don’t vote, the only way to avoid it is to leave the grid.
 
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Sorry. I accidentally sent that before I finished it. My clumsy thumb. I edited it.
 
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Welfare money comes from taxes that we pay. If not voluntarily then by force. My dilemma is that I know the poor need to be taken care of and I’m happy to do it but I think it’s wrong to force others to do it just because I think it’s right.
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Not your problem or concern. Your duty is to pay taxes. That is all. What they do with your taxes, be it to feed the hungry or build nuclear weapons is not you supporting welfare laws or war. Taxation does not force you to feed the hungry. It forces you to give your money to the state for whatever purposes they see fit. Even if just to fix your potholes. They can feed the hungry or build palaces. Regardless, this is not them forcing you to feed the hungry. This is them forcing you to simply fork over your cash or face penalty.
 
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Good point. But if I support candidates who promote welfare then I’m tacitly agreeing to force.
 
I think what we’re seeing here is a kind of radical libertarianism that rejects all forms of state coercion. Just my educated guess fwiw…
 
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If you support laws that force people to pay to feed the needy are you forcing others against their will to do what you think they should do?
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Jesus did not say you may force another to do anything. He did recognize that the government may set certain requirements, in the form of taxation.

Following that, taxes are required of U.S. citizens. The government decides how they are used.

If you disagree with that, no one is forcing you to stay.
 
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Not really. If they are all bad then why should I choose one? I don’t believing in voting for evil.
 
That’s a tough one. One side of me rejects any form of coercion. I prefer peace. The other side of me allows for the Constitution to be our supreme law. The trouble is, few people study or even have a clue what the Constitution is. There are only a few in Congress who have any respect at all for it. If we decided to ever go back to constitutional government we would have to get rid of 80 percent of our programs. Just round numbers …
 
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