Carmel Mission vandalized after Pope grants Junipero Serra sainthood
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Catholic1954
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I hope the San Diego Mission is ok. 
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CatholicFireman
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I hope this starts an increase in security at all the missions. I’m sure there were security cameras in Carmel and maybe the vandals slipped up and left more evidence than the police are letting out. Unfortunately those opposed to St. Serra’s canonization are leaving comments on the Facebook site.I hope the San Diego Mission is ok.
Another article: ksbw.com/news/carmel-mission-vandalized-days-after-serras-canonization/35512550
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Memaw
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And I would guess that most of them are non-Catholic and so why does it make any difference to them anyway. God Bless, Memaw
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lvcabbie
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So sad.
My opinion is that when they were unable to stop the canonization, they decided that “activism” is called for. A small bunch of “activists” who have probably been encouraged to ignore the law and rights of others to voice their “opinions.”
May The Lord have mercy on their soul, exactly the way San Junipero would be looking upon them.
My opinion is that when they were unable to stop the canonization, they decided that “activism” is called for. A small bunch of “activists” who have probably been encouraged to ignore the law and rights of others to voice their “opinions.”
May The Lord have mercy on their soul, exactly the way San Junipero would be looking upon them.
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CatholicFireman
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Violent “activist” = thug.
Can’t sugar-coat that.
Or just people who need an excuse to be violent thinking their “saving the day”.
Can’t sugar-coat that.
Or just people who need an excuse to be violent thinking their “saving the day”.
Ditto, Ivcabbie.
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LogisticsBranch
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I’m heart broken by the vandalizism of the Carmel Missions. I’ve visited those missions and love Junipero Serra! 
BANCROFTIANA
PUBLISHED OCCASIONALLY BY THE FRIENDS OF THE BANCROFT LIBRARY UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA 94720 No. go December 1985
A New Serra Document, page 4 and 5
Junipero Serra, as founder of California’s missions, is a figure of great significance to California history and, therefore, to the collections of The Bancroft Library. The Library, H. Detail from Junipero Serra manuscript. Photograph by Mary-Ellen Jones. ever since the time of Hubert Howe Bancroft, has acquired all relevant printed material and some manuscripts concerned with Serra. Thus over the years it has acquired four signed manuscript documents; now it has just obtained four more signatures, all on one new piece of manuscript, a remarkably informative twopage text in which Serra records his tour of missions during the period August 3 to September 29, 1783. The manuscript is an illustration of Serra’s long career as a missionary. It began in March 1749 when he obtained permission to join the College of San Fernando in Mexico, where he hoped to devote himself to missionary work. He reached the College on January 1, 1750, and from there went to the Sierra Gorda missions, converting and instructing the Pame Indians for nine years. It was not until 1767 that he was named president of the Baja California missions which he immediately proceeded to visit on foot. He eagerly accepted the idea of expeditions to Alta California for the purpose of founding missions at San Diego and Monterey, and indeed proposed to join the land portion of the expedition in person. This he did with Fathers Juan Crespi, a fellow Majorcan, and Fermm Lasuen, leaving at the end of March 1769 on the long northward trek under the protection of Gaspar de Portola, to arrive on July 1 at San Diego where fifteen days later he founded the first mission in Alta California, naming it San Diego de Alcala. In the fifteen years remaining to him, Serra journeyed incessantly throughout California, from north to south, often by land, and sometimes by sea, establishing the missions of San Carlos, San Antonio, San Luis, San Juan Capistrano, and San Buenaventura. As first president of the missions, he prudently managed their interests and battled against military and temporal powers to preserve their rights. Serra in his capacity to administer the sacrament of confirmation undertook his last tour of confirmations in the south during the summer of 1783, visiting every mission from San Diego to San Antonio, returning to San Carlos in January of the following year. It is this tour that is documented in the new manuscript obtained through special funds made available by Clarence E. Heller. The manuscript describes the ceremonies that took place at Santa Clara, San Carlos, Santa Barbara, and San Diego. Here we find listed not only the number of confirmations administered, but also, for the smaller missions, the names of those confirmed, sometimes their age, the names of their parents, and their sponsors. Serra also mentions the names of priests assisting him in the celebration of the mass preceding the confirmation. It is interesting to note that the seven persons confirmed at San Carlos were all Indians or “gentiles” from outlying rancherias or Indian settlements, their sponsor being Juan Bautista Aguirre, captain of the frigate Favorita. Serra includes a few brief personal notes, telling us that he embarked from Monterey on the afternoon of August 4. On September 1 at the presidio of Santa Barbara which he reached by sea, he confirmed nineteen persons, eight boys, nine girls, and two married women whose names were to be recorded in the Book of Confirmations of the Mission San Buenaventura that served the presidio. On September 14 Serra arrived at San Diego by sea, the very day, he observed, when he had completed fiftythree years of religious service. There he confirmed 124 neophytes, and on the following Sunday thirty-one Indians from rancherias, making a total of 233 confirmations for that mission through September 28. Serra, ever frail in health, visited once more the missions of San Francisco and Santa Clara, returning very ill to the San Carlos Mission at Carmel. There in his sleep on August 28, 1784, a much loved figure died.
digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/bancroftiana/ucb/text/bancroftiana_090.pdf
Praise be to the Lord for having a wonderful servant Junipero Serra. I can’t stop crying thinking he gave so much and loved so many people. Praise be to God!
BANCROFTIANA
PUBLISHED OCCASIONALLY BY THE FRIENDS OF THE BANCROFT LIBRARY UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA 94720 No. go December 1985
A New Serra Document, page 4 and 5
Junipero Serra, as founder of California’s missions, is a figure of great significance to California history and, therefore, to the collections of The Bancroft Library. The Library, H. Detail from Junipero Serra manuscript. Photograph by Mary-Ellen Jones. ever since the time of Hubert Howe Bancroft, has acquired all relevant printed material and some manuscripts concerned with Serra. Thus over the years it has acquired four signed manuscript documents; now it has just obtained four more signatures, all on one new piece of manuscript, a remarkably informative twopage text in which Serra records his tour of missions during the period August 3 to September 29, 1783. The manuscript is an illustration of Serra’s long career as a missionary. It began in March 1749 when he obtained permission to join the College of San Fernando in Mexico, where he hoped to devote himself to missionary work. He reached the College on January 1, 1750, and from there went to the Sierra Gorda missions, converting and instructing the Pame Indians for nine years. It was not until 1767 that he was named president of the Baja California missions which he immediately proceeded to visit on foot. He eagerly accepted the idea of expeditions to Alta California for the purpose of founding missions at San Diego and Monterey, and indeed proposed to join the land portion of the expedition in person. This he did with Fathers Juan Crespi, a fellow Majorcan, and Fermm Lasuen, leaving at the end of March 1769 on the long northward trek under the protection of Gaspar de Portola, to arrive on July 1 at San Diego where fifteen days later he founded the first mission in Alta California, naming it San Diego de Alcala. In the fifteen years remaining to him, Serra journeyed incessantly throughout California, from north to south, often by land, and sometimes by sea, establishing the missions of San Carlos, San Antonio, San Luis, San Juan Capistrano, and San Buenaventura. As first president of the missions, he prudently managed their interests and battled against military and temporal powers to preserve their rights. Serra in his capacity to administer the sacrament of confirmation undertook his last tour of confirmations in the south during the summer of 1783, visiting every mission from San Diego to San Antonio, returning to San Carlos in January of the following year. It is this tour that is documented in the new manuscript obtained through special funds made available by Clarence E. Heller. The manuscript describes the ceremonies that took place at Santa Clara, San Carlos, Santa Barbara, and San Diego. Here we find listed not only the number of confirmations administered, but also, for the smaller missions, the names of those confirmed, sometimes their age, the names of their parents, and their sponsors. Serra also mentions the names of priests assisting him in the celebration of the mass preceding the confirmation. It is interesting to note that the seven persons confirmed at San Carlos were all Indians or “gentiles” from outlying rancherias or Indian settlements, their sponsor being Juan Bautista Aguirre, captain of the frigate Favorita. Serra includes a few brief personal notes, telling us that he embarked from Monterey on the afternoon of August 4. On September 1 at the presidio of Santa Barbara which he reached by sea, he confirmed nineteen persons, eight boys, nine girls, and two married women whose names were to be recorded in the Book of Confirmations of the Mission San Buenaventura that served the presidio. On September 14 Serra arrived at San Diego by sea, the very day, he observed, when he had completed fiftythree years of religious service. There he confirmed 124 neophytes, and on the following Sunday thirty-one Indians from rancherias, making a total of 233 confirmations for that mission through September 28. Serra, ever frail in health, visited once more the missions of San Francisco and Santa Clara, returning very ill to the San Carlos Mission at Carmel. There in his sleep on August 28, 1784, a much loved figure died.
digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/bancroftiana/ucb/text/bancroftiana_090.pdf
Praise be to the Lord for having a wonderful servant Junipero Serra. I can’t stop crying thinking he gave so much and loved so many people. Praise be to God!
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Avdima
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I am not for vandalizing, but when the Church praises genocide,murder and slavery of a people by canonizing a devil this is the least of what would happen.
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LogisticsBranch
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Avdima, all that you say about the Catholic Church is untrue. It saddens me to think you are
misrepresenting Catholics. I’m tired of reading online the lies made by people like you. I hope you learn to show respect for Catholics rather than be rude. One of my best friends is non-Catholic and shows respect towards me unlike you. I’m hopeful that in the future that you would have better things to do than come to the internet and say mean and hurtful things to us Catholics. Most mature adults in this day and age don’t hurt people of faith.
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CatholicFireman
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Genocide? Stop jumping on the band wagon. Where’s your proof? There are many posts on CAF repeating that there is no proof of your false claims. If fact, SAINT Serra defended the native people. Do the search. It shouldn’t be hard (as in look above your post, for example).
Unbelievable.
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lvcabbie
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You can provide all the historical facts in the world to people like that and it will do no good. They will NEVER accept the truth that the one individual who destroyed California Indians was the first American government who, in 1840, basically rounded them up and imprisoned them in “reservations” with the clear goal of taking their property and removing them from California.
Where is all the moral outrage about that?
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CatholicFireman
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Oh, so you were there? You must be very old!
And we are not talking about the Spanish government, but the saint who defended the natives from the government. And you can spew all you want but you will NEVER prove your false case to us so I suggest you move on because you are doing nothing but disrupting the thread.
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Memaw
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And what about the other native Americans that were treated so terribly by our American government. Didn’t we take their country away from them!! Learn the truth about our history. God Bless, Memaw
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CatholicFireman
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OK, let’s cool our jets before this thread get seriously derailed. I didn’t start it so people would turn on each other. Let’s not be like the commenters on the articles and the mission’s Facebook page. The evil one would just love that. This was a terrible act of vandalism. Justice will be served in this life or the next regardless. We should just pray for the mission, it’ parishners and the vandals.
This was a terrible act of vandalism. Justice will be served in this life or the next regardless. We should just pray for the mission, it’ parishners and the vandals.
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CatholicFireman
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And yes, I’m just as guilty as the next person so I’m pulling in the reins on myself as well.OK, let’s cool our jets before this thread get seriously derailed. I didn’t start it so people would turn on each other. Let’s not be like the commenters on the articles and the mission’s Facebook page. The evil one would just love that.
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lvcabbie
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Me too.
It’s really neat that the parishoners are on the job of repairing this crime.
Dissidents can attack all they like. They will never erase or cover up the truth.
It’s really neat that the parishoners are on the job of repairing this crime.
Dissidents can attack all they like. They will never erase or cover up the truth.
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Memaw
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Then why didn’t you ask for just prayers in the first place. When you start something like this it will lead to all kinds of discussions. As do all other threads! Isn’t that what we’re here for??? God Bless, MemawOK, let’s cool our jets before this thread get seriously derailed. I didn’t start it so people would turn on each other. Let’s not be like the commenters on the articles and the mission’s Facebook page. The evil one would just love that.
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CatholicFireman
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Saying “God Bless” after each rude (chastising) post does not excuse you. Prayers would be something called common sense. I’m asking the moderator to close this thread. Be happy that’s all I ask. Hope you’re happy you derailed what was suppose to be a simple thread.
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Memaw
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I’m not the one being rude.I didn’t derail anything. I just responded to post that blamed Serra for deaths of Indians. And I do mean the “God Bless” sincerely, why does that bother you?? God Bless, MemawSaying “God Bless” after each rude (chastising) post does not excuse you. Prayers would be something called common sense. I’m asking the moderator to close this thread. Be happy that’s all I ask. Hope you’re happy you derailed what was suppose to be a simple thread.
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CatholicFireman
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They address those concerns later on in this show (around 35:00).
youtube.com/watch?v=zBpAWFVqfNg
People will believe what they will on both sides of the argument.
I’m done.
youtube.com/watch?v=zBpAWFVqfNg
People will believe what they will on both sides of the argument.
I’m done.
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