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Hi,
I have been wondering about all these issues myself. Well, I don’t think God is a killer for his pleasure. The Bible says that he does not delight in death that he is God of the living.
Genesis before the Fall have no record of death anywhere, nor of man eating animals.
I think all this killing issue is a result of the Fall of Adam who is supposed to rule over the visible creation. I think even the Catechism does teach that the Sin of Adam had consequence to all visible creation. So I am convinced that it was a very cosmic thing.
God did not like sacrifice of animals the proof is that we don’t do it anymore. God like the sacrifice of the fruit of the earth. So where did the sacrifice of animal come from? From God himself.
Genesis says that after Adam and Eve fall, God clothed them with skins of animals. Notice that they had covered themselves with fig threes, but God covered them with skins. Where did God get these skins if this is not an indication of the first sacrifice of animals?
This explains the animal sacrifice to me. I link this with the last verse of Genesis 2 where it says that man and his wife in ‘flesh’ were nude but were not ashamed. The nudity refers to being striped of grace. Sin striped them of grace. And the offering of blood clothed them and hide their shame while not hiding their nudity. To me this means that they were still nude (not clothed with grace of God) but where not ashamed (because God had put flesh) on them.
So to me Genesis 3 is not exactly the continuation of Genesis 2, I am getting increasily convinced that it actually explains it. I think Sin was first indicated in Genesis 2 when God said that ‘man should not be alone’. Here we see that God was sad that man was feeling alone. But why did man feel alone? I think it is because he had just sinned and got separated from God and his wife (the deep sleep could indicate how big the separation was so big that he could not remember his previous life -not lonely) as Genesis explains later. His comparing himself with the animal world which he was suppose to rule shows that Man had fallen down to the animal world. I think this is indicated by the ‘deep sleep’ which he enters to get out on the other side clothed with ‘flesh’.
I think ‘flesh’ mentioned in Genesis 2. The flesh that God put in place where he took Eve. This was already a judgement. I think this is equal to what Genesis 3 say when it says that God put skin on them. Before Sin man and woman where together, but where as ONE as God in himself is One while being many persons. At that time, as Genesis indicates, they were called simply MAN. It was many persons but One Man. Notice that at the time of temptation, Eve says state what God had told them about the tree as if she heard it directly but not as if Adam had told her about it.
So to conclude, I think we were not meant to be ‘animals’ in the beginning. That’s why Jesus destroyed flesh as we see it on the cross. This flesh we see is a infected buy Sin. In fact the whole creation is infected by Sin which is why as Revelation predicts, it will be destroyed and an new Heaven and New Earth will appear.
I am not saying that there was no flesh before, it could have been but it was of a different nature, pure, may be like the flesh of the resurrected body of Christ.
So in the original creation, I don’t think there was carnivores that is I don’t think lions were supposed to eat other animals. I don’t know what they were supposed to it. But it could be possible that they were not supposed to it at all.
I think the very need to eat is a result of death provoqued by Sin. Isn’t eating an attempt to fight this death? I mean eating biologically. I think if we look at how the new creation will be we can get an idea of how the origianal one was. There is no need to eat to survive. No suffering. All these came with sins and will be completely destroyed with it.
This is how I make sens of this. Carnivores could be just a constant reminder of the gravity of our fall and our responsability.
God bless
Alain
I have been wondering about all these issues myself. Well, I don’t think God is a killer for his pleasure. The Bible says that he does not delight in death that he is God of the living.
Genesis before the Fall have no record of death anywhere, nor of man eating animals.
I think all this killing issue is a result of the Fall of Adam who is supposed to rule over the visible creation. I think even the Catechism does teach that the Sin of Adam had consequence to all visible creation. So I am convinced that it was a very cosmic thing.
God did not like sacrifice of animals the proof is that we don’t do it anymore. God like the sacrifice of the fruit of the earth. So where did the sacrifice of animal come from? From God himself.
Genesis says that after Adam and Eve fall, God clothed them with skins of animals. Notice that they had covered themselves with fig threes, but God covered them with skins. Where did God get these skins if this is not an indication of the first sacrifice of animals?
This explains the animal sacrifice to me. I link this with the last verse of Genesis 2 where it says that man and his wife in ‘flesh’ were nude but were not ashamed. The nudity refers to being striped of grace. Sin striped them of grace. And the offering of blood clothed them and hide their shame while not hiding their nudity. To me this means that they were still nude (not clothed with grace of God) but where not ashamed (because God had put flesh) on them.
So to me Genesis 3 is not exactly the continuation of Genesis 2, I am getting increasily convinced that it actually explains it. I think Sin was first indicated in Genesis 2 when God said that ‘man should not be alone’. Here we see that God was sad that man was feeling alone. But why did man feel alone? I think it is because he had just sinned and got separated from God and his wife (the deep sleep could indicate how big the separation was so big that he could not remember his previous life -not lonely) as Genesis explains later. His comparing himself with the animal world which he was suppose to rule shows that Man had fallen down to the animal world. I think this is indicated by the ‘deep sleep’ which he enters to get out on the other side clothed with ‘flesh’.
I think ‘flesh’ mentioned in Genesis 2. The flesh that God put in place where he took Eve. This was already a judgement. I think this is equal to what Genesis 3 say when it says that God put skin on them. Before Sin man and woman where together, but where as ONE as God in himself is One while being many persons. At that time, as Genesis indicates, they were called simply MAN. It was many persons but One Man. Notice that at the time of temptation, Eve says state what God had told them about the tree as if she heard it directly but not as if Adam had told her about it.
So to conclude, I think we were not meant to be ‘animals’ in the beginning. That’s why Jesus destroyed flesh as we see it on the cross. This flesh we see is a infected buy Sin. In fact the whole creation is infected by Sin which is why as Revelation predicts, it will be destroyed and an new Heaven and New Earth will appear.
I am not saying that there was no flesh before, it could have been but it was of a different nature, pure, may be like the flesh of the resurrected body of Christ.
So in the original creation, I don’t think there was carnivores that is I don’t think lions were supposed to eat other animals. I don’t know what they were supposed to it. But it could be possible that they were not supposed to it at all.
I think the very need to eat is a result of death provoqued by Sin. Isn’t eating an attempt to fight this death? I mean eating biologically. I think if we look at how the new creation will be we can get an idea of how the origianal one was. There is no need to eat to survive. No suffering. All these came with sins and will be completely destroyed with it.
This is how I make sens of this. Carnivores could be just a constant reminder of the gravity of our fall and our responsability.
God bless
Alain
