Carolyn McCarthy readies gun control bill

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kenofken said:
And any innocent bystanders who happen to be in a roughly 60-degree radius a quarter mile or so in front of the self defense shooter…
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Pistol rounds generally stop at 150 yards, a quarter mile is 440 yards. As for 60 degrees (which is an arc, not a radius): are there many cases of people having epileptic seizures while holding guns?
Why is it that 8-round stripper clips were good enough to free Europe from the Nazi army but four times that is considered just adequate for defending one’s home on the 1 in 10,000 chance of a forced entry against some mope who is often (though not always) armed with a screwdriver? Is suburban America having a problem with werewolves or rogue elephants that I’m not aware of?
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Because those 8-rd magazines reloaded with stripper clips were in 7.62 mm battle rifles? Although actually, “Tommy guns”…the BAR…heavy machine guns of all shapes and sizes…do you honestly think the M1 Garand was sufficient?

I don’t know anyone who uses 32 rounds in a self-defense weapon. Are many people in your area using German Lugers with 30-rd snail-shell magazines?

My sisters live in Tucson, one of the Home Invasion capitals of the entire nation. I want them to get a gun, as well as a security door.

As for the “often” armed with a screwdriver, what, pray, crime statistics are you using? Besides which, if you break into someone’s house, I want you to have brought a knife to a gunfight. Trust me, I’m a martial artist: knife fights mean both people get cut.

RE: Rogue elephants, nothing most people use for self-defense will even slow down a charging elephant. Or do you really think .454 Casull is a popular self-defense round? .44 Magnum isn’t, and besides, it’s just barely adequate for grizzlies. .357 Magnum is quite well-suited to self-defense, the loud discharge having a stunning effect aside from what the bullet does, but it only has a 6-round capacity in most revolvers.
Why do we balk at the idea of giving kids and other bystanders the same sporting chance to survive that we grant game animals? We (PETA folks aside), consider hunting to be the legitimate taking of life with a firearm, but we don’t let hunters pack 30-round magazines, or anything near that.
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Because again, since handguns are designed for legitimate defense, not illegitimate offense, you don’t want your opponent to have a sporting chance. You design for the use of the tool, not its abuse. Fireplace pokers are not designed to break if you try to hit someone with them, so they’re more effective as a murder weapon—because if they weren’t, they’d be less effective as a tool.
The idea that giving all the good guys 30-round rapid fire to save the day is a tempting (if twisted) bit of logic, but the track record sucks. Very few of these massacres are being stopped or even mitigated by armed citizens, and they’re happening in right to carry states just as much as anywhere else.
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And now you reveal your total ignorance of the stats on crime-prevention RE: armed citizens. “More Guns, Less Crime” by economist John Lott. Basically, if you haven’t read that, you have no right to an opinion on the topic.

Besides which, who here has been advocating the civilian ownership of 30-round full auto assault rifles? Because I know I haven’t. But please, keep arguing with a strawman.
 
Hastrman said:
Besides which, who here has been advocating the civilian ownership of 30-round full auto assault rifles? Because I know I haven’t. But please, keep arguing with a strawman.
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Ted Nugent has them, and he’s never even had anyone trespass on his property. Knowing that if you trespass with ill intent you will probably end up very dead is a good deterent.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Ted Nugent has them, and he’s never even had anyone trespass on his property. Knowing that if you trespass with ill intent you will probably end up very dead is a good deterent.
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Yes, that was one of the findings in Lott’s book: “hot” breakins, those committed while the occupant is present, drop drastically in areas where gun ownership is common.
 
Hastrman said:
Pistol rounds generally stop at 150 yards, a quarter mile is 440 yards. As for 60 degrees (which is an arc, not a radius): are there many cases of people having epileptic seizures while holding guns?

Because those 8-rd magazines reloaded with stripper clips were in 7.62 mm battle rifles? Although actually, “Tommy guns”…the BAR…heavy machine guns of all shapes and sizes…do you honestly think the M1 Garand was sufficient?

I don’t know anyone who uses 32 rounds in a self-defense weapon. Are many people in your area using German Lugers with 30-rd snail-shell magazines?

My sisters live in Tucson, one of the Home Invasion capitals of the entire nation. I want them to get a gun, as well as a security door.

As for the “often” armed with a screwdriver, what, pray, crime statistics are you using? Besides which, if you break into someone’s house, I want you to have brought a knife to a gunfight. Trust me, I’m a martial artist: knife fights mean both people get cut.

RE: Rogue elephants, nothing most people use for self-defense will even slow down a charging elephant. Or do you really think .454 Casull is a popular self-defense round? .44 Magnum isn’t, and besides, it’s just barely adequate for grizzlies. .357 Magnum is quite well-suited to self-defense, the loud discharge having a stunning effect aside from what the bullet does, but it only has a 6-round capacity in most revolvers.

Because again, since handguns are designed for legitimate defense, not illegitimate offense, you don’t want your opponent to have a sporting chance. You design for the use of the tool, not its abuse. Fireplace pokers are not designed to break if you try to hit someone with them, so they’re more effective as a murder weapon—because if they weren’t, they’d be less effective as a tool.

And now you reveal your total ignorance of the stats on crime-prevention RE: armed citizens. “More Guns, Less Crime” by economist John Lott. Basically, if you haven’t read that, you have no right to an opinion on the topic.

Besides which, who here has been advocating the civilian ownership of 30-round full auto assault rifles? Because I know I haven’t. But please, keep arguing with a strawman.
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John Lott’s Web site is worth reading:

johnrlott.blogspot.com/
 
Hastrman said:
Pistol rounds generally stop at 150 yards, a quarter mile is 440 yards. As for 60 degrees (which is an arc, not a radius): are there many cases of people having epileptic seizures while holding guns?

Because those 8-rd magazines reloaded with stripper clips were in 7.62 mm battle rifles? Although actually, “Tommy guns”…the BAR…heavy machine guns of all shapes and sizes…do you honestly think the M1 Garand was sufficient?

I don’t know anyone who uses 32 rounds in a self-defense weapon. Are many people in your area using German Lugers with 30-rd snail-shell magazines?

My sisters live in Tucson, one of the Home Invasion capitals of the entire nation. I want them to get a gun, as well as a security door.

As for the “often” armed with a screwdriver, what, pray, crime statistics are you using? Besides which, if you break into someone’s house, I want you to have brought a knife to a gunfight. Trust me, I’m a martial artist: knife fights mean both people get cut.

RE: Rogue elephants, nothing most people use for self-defense will even slow down a charging elephant. Or do you really think .454 Casull is a popular self-defense round? .44 Magnum isn’t, and besides, it’s just barely adequate for grizzlies. .357 Magnum is quite well-suited to self-defense, the loud discharge having a stunning effect aside from what the bullet does, but it only has a 6-round capacity in most revolvers.

Because again, since handguns are designed for legitimate defense, not illegitimate offense, you don’t want your opponent to have a sporting chance. You design for the use of the tool, not its abuse. Fireplace pokers are not designed to break if you try to hit someone with them, so they’re more effective as a murder weapon—because if they weren’t, they’d be less effective as a tool.

And now you reveal your total ignorance of the stats on crime-prevention RE: armed citizens. “More Guns, Less Crime” by economist John Lott. Basically, if you haven’t read that, you have no right to an opinion on the topic.

Besides which, who here has been advocating the civilian ownership of 30-round full auto assault rifles? Because I know I haven’t. But please, keep arguing with a strawman.
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You owe me a Sprite, and a monitor cleaning!
 
KyivAndrew said:
Hmm…jumping in to add a different angle:

*"A shocking new report obtained by ABC News says that as many as three out of four guns used in crimes in Mexico and recovered and capable of being traced can be traced to gun stores just across the border in the U.S. The numbers bolster complaints by Mexican officials that the country’s unprecedented bloodshed – 28,000 people have died in drug-cartel violence since 2006 – is being fueled both by the U.S. appetite for drugs, and by American weapons

“We can say that there is enormous violence in Mexico and most of the killing is done with guns and most of the guns used in the killing are originally from gun dealers in the United States,” said Arkado Gerney, one of the report’s authors.

The study, based on Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) data and prepared by the advocacy group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, shows that three out of four guns used in crimes in Mexico and submitted for tracing were sold in the four U.S. states that border Mexico.

In April Mexican President Felipe Calderón, speaking to a joint session of Congress, pleaded to US lawmakers for more help in limiting the flow of weapons to Mexico. “I understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee good American citizens the ability to defend themselves and their nation,” he said. “But believe me, many of these guns are not going to honest American hands.” *.

source: abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mexican-crime-american-guns/story?id=11574583
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Here we go again. This is just the same old numbers game that has been played before. The guns the Mexican police turn over to the ATF for tracing are a small percentage of Mexican crime guns. ATF only traces the guns Mexico gives them to trace. In 2009, Mexico reported that they held 305,424 confiscated firearms, %between%but submitted data of only 69,808 recovered firearms to the ATF for tracing between 2007 and 2009. %between%This puts in question whether the majority of illegal guns in Mexico really come from the United States.

Everything Mexico’s murderous thugs are doing is already illegal. At issue is not the absence of law, but the absence of political will to enforce the laws that both nations already possess.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Thanks, I tried to listen, but I’m not into talk radio and about a minute’s worth was all I could take. 🙂
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lol

Mike Church is an interesting fellow, does some good historical documentaries, is really sarcastic, Catholic and taught both his daughters Latin.

I posted it so you could hear both.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
lol

Mike Church is an interesting fellow, does some good historical documentaries, is really sarcastic, Catholic and taught both his daughters Latin.

I posted it so you could hear both.
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Again, thanks, but I find talk show hosts too rambling and too unfocused to be worth my paying attention. I’ve never, for example, ever hear “Rush,” Savage, Beck or those other radio pundits, and it wouldn’t matter even if they were liberals. I just don’t care for the style.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Again, thanks, but I find talk show hosts too rambling and too unfocused to be worth my paying attention. I’ve never, for example, ever hear “Rush,” Savage, Beck or those other radio pundits, and it wouldn’t matter even if they were liberals. I just don’t care for the style.
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Never listened to Savage, Beck can be funny till he starts whining, Rush…just get’s old after awhile.

Church also produces some funny song parodies, I got tired of listening to him after awhile as well. Plus they moved him to the early bird slot on Sirius/XM.

IMO, the best intellectual speaker on the radio…other than Mark Levin, who can get a bit annoying as well, is Andrew Wilkow. He tries and tries to get liberals to debate him but rarely get’s a good one to call in.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Interestingly, the American forces at Yorktown amounted to only three divisions; the French Army had ten divisions at Yorktown.
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Huh?

The Continental Army had 3 Divisions (Light, 2nd and 3rd) + 1 Division of Virginia Militia

The French fielded 3 Divisions

Maj. Gen. Baron de Viomenil’s Division, Maj. Gen. Vicomte de Viomenil’s Division and Maj. Gen. Marquis de St. Simon’s Division plus a detatchment of Marines amounting to a Regmiment.
 
Brendan said:
Huh?

The Continental Army had 3 Divisions (Light, 2nd and 3rd) + 1 Division of Virginia Militia

The French fielded 3 Divisions

Maj. Gen. Baron de Viomenil’s Division, Maj. Gen. Vicomte de Viomenil’s Division and Maj. Gen. Marquis de St. Simon’s Division plus a detatchment of Marines amounting to a Regmiment.
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I stand corrected.

Washington had the American-French army organized into 3 divisions for the siege:

1.Lt. General Comte de Rochambeau commanded the 7,800-man French contingent. They occupied the left wing, or northwestern sector, of the siege line. It consisted of 3 infantry brigades, a heavy cavalry corps, and a large artillery corps.

2.The American troops formed the base of the right, or southern sector, with two wings of 8,845 troops. These were divided into 3 divisions. They were commanded by Brig. Gen. Benjamin Lincoln, and Maj. Gens. Marquis de Lafayette and Baron von Stueben. Col. Henry Knox was in command of the artillery, engineers, sappers and miners. Col. Stephen Moylan was in command of the cavalry.

3.The third division of 3,200 Virginia militiamen were commanded by Brig. Gens. George Weedon, Edward Stevens, and Robert Lawson. They occupied the southeastern sector, or far right wing of the siege line.

A shame that Cornwallis said that he was sick to avoid taking part in the surrender. His second-in-command, General O’Hara surrendered the British forces, and it was he who was brushed off by de Rochambeau when he tried to surrender to him.
 
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