Catholic Bishop Returns Petitions to Ousted Gay Parish Volunteer

[MaryT777]

I’ve always wondered, how could a homosexual be an active member of catholic church? I know there are a lot of christian homosexuals out there, but why would they choose the catholic church? The catholic church will not change it’s opinion about homosexuals not being able to getting married. However, I do not think it is the right way to sent a serving volunteer away… No matter what he/she has done. If we only want good people in our churches, we can throw everyone out i guess…

The question gets even harder when considering that people who have commited a moral sin should not receiving the eucharist. So how can a person who is in a same-sex marriage receive the eucharist?

There’s a reason they choose the Catholic Church and it’s to push their pro gay agenda
in a forum like the Church. It is explicitly clear an openly practicing gay man is not in good standing in the Catholic Church. Should he wish to keep his volunteer status then perhaps he should reconsider what’s most important to him. It’s not a matter of a having “good people” in the Church alone. If that were the case you’re right
“no one need apply” good point It’s about having persons true to the teachings of the Church serving in volunteer capacities.

There was a similar problem with abortion here. A person who was openly pro choice
wanted to teach religion and was told no. How would that work? It doesn’t.

The Church does not recognize same sex marriage so thus it’s fornication and that person should not receive the Eucharist.

 

[Johann_du_Toit]

I think the bishop acted in accordance with the teachings of the catholic church. However, while he delivered the right message, the way he delivered the message should have been different.

He could have acknowledged the petition, and respectfully declined it, noting that while homosexual orientation is not inherently sinful, an active homosexual lifestyle is, and while the person in question is always welcome to attend mass, his lifestyle precludes him from holding any lay office within the church.

 

[HB11]

:thumbsup:Yes, the Bishop did the right thing. I will comment about the antics in Belgium when I can be more prayed up and charitable. I don’t want to be banned.:

This Bishop and most others no something that you will never admit, no matter what he said in reply the same result would be received. The militant lgbt groups want nothing more than to force their views on everyone. The main hurdle for them is the Catholic Church.

We are quite ignorant and naive to believe this is not the beginning of the current day persecutions of Church leaders and all clergy. This will lead to lawsuits and eventually down the road legal battles and charges against the Church’s clergy. There is no possibility of Mother Church changing what She holds as truth. This man is representation of worldly scandal and this Bishop has acted justly and rightly. Had he made the exact statements you suggest he would be criticized anyway. I think his response was perfect. He is just what he said he is, A FAITHFUL ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP.

Praise God for Bishops like him!

 

[Lucky7]

I’ve always wondered, how could a homosexual be an active member of catholic church? I know there are a lot of christian homosexuals out there, but why would they choose the catholic church? The catholic church will not change it’s opinion about homosexuals not being able to getting married. However, I do not think it is the right way to sent a serving volunteer away… No matter what he/she has done. If we only want good people in our churches, we can throw everyone out i guess…

The question gets even harder when considering that people who have commited a moral sin should not receiving the eucharist. So how can a person who is in a same-sex marriage receive the eucharist?

Ding ding ding!

We haven’t even gone there yet…lol.

 

[ffg]

18,500 names on 300 pages.

I’m surprised the Bishop responded this way. Even if it was a media stunt designed to put him in a bad spot, one would think he would take advantage of the situation and use it as a teachable moment. Now he appears arrogant and disinterested. Not good.

What about the response is not teaching?

Understanding who the Bishop is and the org. that he represents, the education is in the Faithful man following the rules of his organization which he clearly names.

Those petitioners can go learn why the gay man is not allowed to assist in the Church, or they can keep complaining.

Interesting coincidence -

Just walking to work this morning, there were 4 or 5 kids standing outside the local diocese offices, there was a cameraman from the local tv station there, they were just all dwelling about not doing anything.

I asked the cameraman what was up, I guess a Catholic high school teacher decided to come out of the closet and got canned. The students were ‘going to be’ protesting (once the camera was on).

If I watch that story tonight, I’ll bet my house that they will not touch on the rules of the Church.

 

[MaryT777]

What about the response is not teaching?

Understanding who the Bishop is and the org. that he represents, the education is in the Faithful man following the rules of his organization which he clearly names.

Those petitioners can go learn why the gay man is not allowed to assist in the Church, or they can keep complaining.

Interesting coincidence -

Just walking to work this morning, there were 4 or 5 kids standing outside the local diocese offices, there was a cameraman from the local tv station there, they were just all dwelling about not doing anything.

I asked the cameraman what was up, I guess a Catholic high school teacher decided to come out of the closet and got canned. The students were ‘going to be’ protesting (once the camera was on).

If I watch that story tonight, I’ll bet my house that they will not touch on the rules of the Church.

Here in the Catholic School teachers sign a contract stating they will be faithful in teaching the Catholic Faith ( I don’t know if there is a practicing clause) it’d be interesting to note if he was now rejecting the teachings of the Church on homosexuality. I bet so.

Here we had an"out of the closet" abortion supporter in the Catholic school who was canned and stayed canned by the courts for teaching contrarty to the Catholic Church which was against the Contract.

 

[FreciaMarie]

Here’s something to consider.

The Church was founded by Christ.

It is the oldest institution in the world. It has outlived scandals and war, from within and without. It will outlive you, me, and the current trend to justify bad behavior through public mob censure and using government as a bully pulpit and stick.

It keeps its teachings consistent over all this time, for what is good remains good and, as St. Paul asks, continually tested to make sure of this.

The Church is not a house of saints but a hospital of sinners. From laity to bishop, we all aim to fulfill our roles and sometimes fall, spectacularly. But failure in a few does not change the teaching that some things are wrong and others are not.

The Church is not concerned with culture, therefore it cannot have “culture arrogance.” It is concerned with the salvation of people. No matter if 1 or 1 million say, “We want this,” it takes 1 man to say, “No. This is not right.” The bishop, as his predecessors before him, is doing the same thing.

Beautiful response.

Good for the Bishop. Repeatedly entertaining an argument over an issue that cannot be argued only creates the illusion that an unchangeable thing might one day change. He really didn’t owe anyone an additional response.

 

[Yerusalyim]

18,500 names on 300 pages.

I’m surprised the Bishop responded this way. Even if it was a media stunt designed to put him in a bad spot, one would think he would take advantage of the situation and use it as a teachable moment. Now he appears arrogant and disinterested. Not good.

He did use it as a teachable moment. He taught these nut jobs that he will adhere to Catholic doctrine.

 

[MaryT777]

He did use it as a teachable moment. He taught these nut jobs that he will adhere to Catholic doctrine.

It’s shoving it in the face of the Catholic Church and it’s time to start excommunicating people that do that in public now, abortion, homosexuality what have you like Martin Luther.

Enough is more than Enough.
Amen to this post.

 

[Yerusalyim]

It’s shoving it in the face of the Catholic Church and it’s time to start excommunicating people that do that in public now, abortion, homosexuality what have you like Martin Luther.

Enough is more than Enough.
Amen to this post.

If the Church start excommunicating for support for things like this we need to start with the politicians.

 

[MaryT777]

If the Church start excommunicating for support for things like this we need to start with the politicians.

Of course. Enough is Enough; the politicians are a disgrace. How long will we "tiptoe: around the issue before it’s done.

 

[Appealing_Woman]

This is interesting. How can Coppola refer to himself as one of the “voices of the faithful” if his lifestyle is not faithful to Church teachings?

 

[MaryT777]

This is interesting. How can Coppola refer to himself as one of the “voices of the faithful” if his lifestyle is not faithful to Church teachings?

He’s not a voice of the faithful. He can refer to himself as anything but the truth is glaring back at him.

 

[Lucky7]

Of course. Enough is Enough; the politicians are a disgrace. How long will we "tiptoe: around the issue before it’s done.

Because apparently the “pastoral” approach will change their tunes. Meanwhile, sacrilege and scandal.

Dont even get me started.

 

[Elizabeth502]

The bishop sent the petition back with a one-line cover letter saying only FROM YOUR FAITHFUL CATHOLIC BISHOP

Awsome courage, Your Excellency.

Way to witness.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Simply fantastic! Way to go, your Excellency:thumbsup:

 

[Filii_Dei]

The article is rife with misleading reporting as usual. The use of the term ‘ousted’ is not only incorrect but deliberately chosen to paint the Church in a bad light. It implies that this individual somehow had some kind of ‘right’ to his position, and that the Church had interfered with his right. This is absolutely nothing of the sort. He is not even an employee but a parish volunteer. You can’t even call this a ‘dismissal’. This is simply the Church turning down his services.

And yet, the rabid masses demand that he gets his “right” to his position. Do they not realise the irony of this? They’re forcing a volunteer’s services upon the Church without giving the Church a say in his appointment. This is just another attack on the freedom of the Church. I guess I should petition to be installed as the President of Planned Parenthood then.

 

[markomalley]

A petition with many names was sent to the bishop asking reinstatement of a gay man (who had just married another man) back into his volunteer parish activities. The bishop sent the petition back with a one-line cover letter saying only FROM YOUR FAITHFUL CATHOLIC BISHOP. A diocesan spokesman said that, unlike legitimate correspondance, an online petition of this nature lacks legitimacy.
see www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/catholic-bishop-returns-petitions-to-ousted-gay-man/2013/04/25/fb501d7e-adea-11e2-b240-9ef3a72c67cc_story.html