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YADA
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Yes - both here at home and abroad … sending our tax dollars overseas … the next generation of “Smart Bomb” is the Abortionist …
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YADA
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Really? … What makes you think it is unlikely to obtain a floor vote let alone pass? Do you have any factual information?
There is virtually no difference between the Senate version and the House version … so there are no “issues” to resolve between version as there is with much legislation …
The Senate Bill has 21 co-sponsors … over 20% have signed on with their names before a floor vote … that is a huge support … all democrat
The House Bill has similar support with 111 co-sponsors … again a huge number … [110 democrats and 1 republican] …
So what is it that you think will prevent a floor vote?
What makes you believe that passage is uncertain?
Once passed what stops it from being signed into law?
Unless we can mount a huge ground swell of public opinion against FOCA [and I mean HUGE!] … passage is all but certain … all indicators point to that reality … including Obama’s promised signiture on the legislation …
I pray I am wrong … I pray for the ground swell … Please Lord - let me be proven incoorect …
I fear that I will weep for the children …
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tm30
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Only if Caesar has a legitimate claim to it. Caesar can never claim ownership of the unborn child, thus, it is not necessary to obey “Caesar” in this instance.
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tm30
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At worst, you may be required to let a man come into your house and murder a complete stranger. Is that okay with you?
Because there are instances of abuse in Catholic hospitals, therefore, we must surrender them to Satan?
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tm30
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The bishops have already stated that, in that event, they would shutter the hospitals, effectively returning Caesar’s “gifts” - which really came out of my paycheck.
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tm30
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Worse than sanctioning the murder of 1.5 million citizens each year? There is implicit moral (sic) authority in the establishment of law. Once that line is crossed, it’s nearly impossible to uncross it, as we’ve seen with the entire abortion debate going back to Roe. So, whether or not there’s a clinic down the block, the status of the law is still in flux - there is still, at least, a glimmer of hope that the law can be changed, and in the meantime, those who are against abortion can act on their consciences not to perform these procedures and can encourage others to do the same. Passing FOCA stamps an almost ironclad seal of approval on all abortion at any stage. The public consciousness will see the argument as being decided once and for all.
Furthermore, we can’t argue that defending againt the potential loss of hospital care for thousands of patients is worth one single solitary soul lost to abortion. If all the world could be saved through one abortion, it would be better to sacrifice the rest of the world by its prevention.
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mdgspencer
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If I recall correctly, this law already passed in Congress,but then President Bush vetoed it. Let me know if I am wrong in my recollection (I hope).
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thomasf
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The republicans still have enough seats to filibuster the bill when it comes up for vote in the senate. Which means it will die without a vote. That is how it can be stopped before it gets to the president. IF all the republicans get in line and oppose it.
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YADA
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Yes, I heard this alot before the election … The republicans [who we don’t support, won’t vote for and who never have done anything to end abortion, and violate every principal regarding social justice unlike the democrats] will save us from FOCA’s passage …
Do not count on it … the democrat party has a very small supposedly pro-life contigent … they mostly and with few exceptions will adhere to the party line … [ahem: that is why the pro-life democrats get 68% favorable ratings from NARAL] …while the even smaller pro-choice republicans will vote pro-choice and part with their party …
The numbers may appear to be support the potential for a filibuster … the reality is not there … and it is not anyon’s fault but those who vote for the pro-abortion candidates … those who vote party [and the potential promise of ethereal ‘social programs’ that will miraculously end the ‘need’ but not the desire for killing babies] over those who have worked tirelessly to end the slaughter through a plethora of ways …
If you wanted the support of republicans then you should have supportd them at the polls … any fence sitters in Washington with R’s after their names will look at what has happened to the likes of Santorum and others over the last few years … how do you think they will vote … with republicans like Spector or the vilified pro-lifers?
I pray I am wrong and FOCA never sees the light of day … but I fear I am right …
Also, did I not mention that the house version has one republican co-sponsor [and he is a catholic too
] … as are many of the co-sponsors … about 20% … catholics sponsoring a codifying of aboriton in law … unsrestricted killing of innocent life …How many of these co-sponsors of FOCA have you oted for? … 54% of Catholics nationwide voted for one of them … Obama …
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Luke65
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Have no fear, YADA! Even if FOCA is passed, which somehow I doubt, it won’t last long… :nope:
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Hi Luke 65-
Long is a relative thing … 35 years is not long in the history of the world but far too long considering the destruction of innocent life that has occurred during that time …
Ulimately, Jesus and justice will prevail … but we still have to work for justice each and every minute - the lives of babies depend on us … we are the hands [heart and voice] of Christ here in this time …
One day of FOCA will be too long …
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JimG
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From the linked article:
One bishop, the Rt. Rev. Thomas J. Paprocki, auxiliary bishop of Chicago, pointed out that, if the government mandates that all health-care institutions perform abortions, it would not be enough for the Church merely to sell a hospital to another organization that would perform abortions.
“We would need to consider taking the drastic step of closing our Catholic hospitals entirely,” Paprocki said.
One bishop, the Rt. Rev. Thomas J. Paprocki, auxiliary bishop of Chicago, pointed out that, if the government mandates that all health-care institutions perform abortions, it would not be enough for the Church merely to sell a hospital to another organization that would perform abortions.
“We would need to consider taking the drastic step of closing our Catholic hospitals entirely,” Paprocki said.
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TMC
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The Democrats will not give it a floor vote because so many of them don’t want to be on record as either for or against it. This bill was first drafted in 1988 or 89, and has been drafted and redrafted every couple of years since then. It was moved from committee in 1993, but was never scheduled for debate or vote The current version has not even been voted out of committee. The bill is a fundraising and votemongering device (used by both sides). Its not coming up for a vote.
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mdgspencer
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The Catholic Church sees this as a serious threat, and the U.S. bishops organization has issued a fact sheet explaining what this law will mean. I apologize because this fact sheet takes a bit of time of download. This is at:
[usccb.org/prolife/issues/FOCA/FOCA_FactSheet08.pdf](http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/FOCA/FOCA_FactSheet08.pdf)
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pnewton
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It would have been nice if they had taken the threat a little more seriously prior to the election of a president that supported it.
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childofmary1143
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Blest are those who persecute you for my sake, the Kingdom of God is theirs.
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