Catholic Cardinal says we no longer need Jesus

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Paul: Thank you for the clarification. My eighty-seven year old grandfather, a Southern Baptist Deacon and a godly man, will need to have this explained, as he reads this paper. If you hadn’t posted the entire contents, I’d have been hard pressed. God bless! John
 
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PaulDupre:
Sister Maureen, a London-based representative of the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual Organization: "I’m amazed. I’m amazed. … "

Cardinal Arinze: "You thought I was a fundamentalist [he laughs] …

"I met in one place in Pakistan a Muslim [who] lived alone, and people would go to him. … He had a wonderful concept of the Koran. … We were like two twins that had known one another from birth. And I was in admiration of this man’s wisdom. I think that man will go to heaven. But I am not the one who opens the door [audience laughter]. …

"There was a Buddhist in Kyoto, in Japan. … This man, a good man, open, listening, humble – I was amazed. I listened to his words of wisdom and said to myself, ‘The grace of God is working in this man.’

"I noticed that the more they were devoted to their religion and I to my religion, the more we met one another even though I didn’t know their language. … There is a language of the heart. Even a dog knows those that love it. So if you meet a person, if both of you are devoted to God, both of you will be nearer to one another than two professors of two religions who don’t practice what they teach but can elucubrate from morning till evening. … "

Mr. Ashley: “So you can still get to heaven without accepting Jesus?”

Cardinal Arinze: “Expressly, yes [he laughs with the audience].”
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John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
 
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excatholic:
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
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Your stubborness in not wanting to understand the teachings given to us by the Way, the Truth, and the Life is a problem you should try to deal with… so we will pray for that.
 
Christ also taught mercy. He is merciful to those who do not have the chance to know him. He judges all according to what they know.
 
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PaulDupre:
Sister Maureen, a London-based representative of the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual Organization: "I’m amazed. I’m amazed. … "

Cardinal Arinze: "You thought I was a fundamentalist [he laughs] …

"I met in one place in Pakistan a Muslim [who] lived alone, and people would go to him. … He had a wonderful concept of the Koran. … We were like two twins that had known one another from birth. And I was in admiration of this man’s wisdom. I think that man will go to heaven. But I am not the one who opens the door [audience laughter]. …

"There was a Buddhist in Kyoto, in Japan. … This man, a good man, open, listening, humble – I was amazed. I listened to his words of wisdom and said to myself, ‘The grace of God is working in this man.’

"I noticed that the more they were devoted to their religion and I to my religion, the more we met one another even though I didn’t know their language. … There is a language of the heart. Even a dog knows those that love it. So if you meet a person, if both of you are devoted to God, both of you will be nearer to one another than two professors of two religions who don’t practice what they teach but can elucubrate from morning till evening. … "

Mr. Ashley: “So you can still get to heaven without accepting Jesus?”

Cardinal Arinze: “Expressly, yes [he laughs with the audience].”
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MrS:
Your stubborness in not wanting to understand the teachings given to us by the Way, the Truth, and the Life is a problem you should try to deal with… so we will pray for that.
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Don’t be upset with me they are not my Words, the are the Words of our Savior. No one goes to heaven without Jesus, not even Mary!
 
You also make the mistake of thinking that God only came to save some. His sacrifice on the cross was for everyone. You are assuming that thesacrifice was only for the Christians. If someone is truely looking for the truth, even though he may not find it, he may be saved as long as he lives according to what he knows of God.
 
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excatholic:
Don’t be upset with me they are not my Words, the are the Words of our Savior. No one goes to heaven without Jesus, not even Mary!
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and they are not the only words of the Lord,., you need to study more, and argue and repeat less.
 
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excatholic:
Don’t be upset with me they are not my Words, the are the Words of our Savior. No one goes to heaven without Jesus, not even Mary!
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He also said that noone will be in heaven who does not eat his body and drink his blood.

So all protestants are going to hell because they reject the eucharist.
 
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excatholic:
Don’t be upset with me they are not my Words, the are the Words of our Savior. No one goes to heaven without Jesus, not even Mary!
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You show your ignorance.
 
Ex-Catholic,
We all agree with you (and the bible) that no one goes to heaven without Jesus. That is not the issue. We are talking about those who never had the chance to know Jesus.

The Catholic Church teaches that those who, through no fault of their own, never had the chance to know Jesus may, if they are sincerely seeking God, and through means known only to God, have the chance to be saved.

That salvation comes only through the merits of the blood sacrifice of Jesus. No one can be saved by any other means. Didn’t you know that that was Catholic teaching?

Of course, those who do get the chance and reject Jesus are doomed.

Tell me, Ex, what is the fate of all of the billions upon billions of God’s children born in ancient China and India who never heard of Christ? Are they all doomed to hell?
Paul
 
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MrS:
Maybe the 7th day poster (or whatever he may be) will take time to read the whole article… then take it back to his source and question them. Not likely though.
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I have read it many times and the Cardinal was wrong. Funny thing is though, this seems to be the doctrine of the RCC as the pope was kisssing the quran. I am nothing more than a Christian. If you want, you may refer to me as a protestant but the only thing in this world I protest is religion. I see religion as fig leafs, a way for man to cover his nakedness. Adam tried this and it was not acceptable. God had to kill an animal for its skin to cover man. Something had to die. Jesus is the last sin offering we ever needed. My Church can trace its roots back to the Jerusalem church that was founded by Christ and the Apostles. Your state run religion can trace its roots to something called the Edict of Milan 313CE. There was a curch in Rome before the edict and it was a Christian church that was persecuted for about 300 years before Constantine. The RCC is an apostasy that Paul warned us about in Galations1:6-9
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
The RCC is clearly a different gospel than the one taught by the Apostles. Read all of the dogma of your church and you will see many things contrary to the bible.
 
Why do you think the Cardinal didn’t feel the need to share Christ with his new found Muslum & Buddist friends? He decided that because they were “good people, very humble” they would go to heaven. I can just imagine the scene in heaven… the two non-believers standing before God and both say, “Through no fault of our own, we never had the chance to hear about Jesus.” And God says, “Yes, you’re right… I guess I made the mistake by sending the Catholic Cardinal to tell you!”
 
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excatholic:
My Church can trace its roots back to the Jerusalem church that was founded by Christ and the Apostles.
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And what is the name of this ancient church that you belong to?
Paul
 
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PaulDupre:
This supposed article is an urban legend started by the Seventh-Day Adventists. The real article from the Dallas Morning News is printed in the next post below. Notice that it is very different from the SDA version. Cardinal Arinze posits that everyone should be Christian. In fact he says that everyone who finds the fullnes of truth will become a Christian. Those who never have the opportunity to know Jesus but nonetheless seek God with a sincere and open heart can still be saved by means known only to God. This is right in line with the Catechism.
Paul
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Sorry Paul it is not in line with what Jesus said in John 14:6
 
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PaulDupre:
And what is the name of this ancient church that you belong to?
Paul
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Paul… this is an effort in futility… while this poster takes us away from worthwhile things with his banter (all pre-arranged and on an anti-Catholic agenda), we will only grow weary of his problem. It is his problem. His rejection is a choice,either his through anger, or whoever is teaching/coaching him. His ancient church is non-existent as both you and I know.

He made a number of comments that are “talking points” for this non-Christian church… what ever its name.
 
Former Catholic, why not meet with a priest tomorrow and return to the Church?
 
carol marie:
Why do you think the Cardinal didn’t feel the need to share Christ with his new found Muslum & Buddist friends? He decided that because they were “good people, very humble” they would go to heaven. I can just imagine the scene in heaven… the two non-believers standing before God and both say, “Through no fault of our own, we never had the chance to hear about Jesus.” And God says, “Yes, you’re right… I guess I made the mistake by sending the Catholic Cardinal to tell you!”
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Maybe he did. You do not know he didn’t and it does not say in the article.
 
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