Catholic Cardinal says we no longer need Jesus

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Gracious!

I see so much of myself in you, excatholic. I am the only Catholic in my family. Though I was raised Baptist, my family has gone in so many directions…

Evangelical, agnostic, Bah’hai, “non-denominational.”

As you can see, when it comes to God, they have many fundamental disagreements, Bible or no. But the one thing they do agree on (for different reasons) is that the Catholic Church is evil.

Every conversation begins and ends with the assumption that no matter what, nearly every evil of the past 2000 years can be traced back to Holy Mother Church. This rips my hearts to shreds. On the one hand, I remember how I never questioned this assumption when I was a Protestant and mourn their stuborness like a disfigured person would cry at their own reflection. On the other hand I can see how much of their thinking is just conditioning.

America, though discovered by a Catholic, is a Protestant nation whose settlers largely came from Protestant Europe. Our history books already start by giving the Church a black eye. Now, a new wave of “scholarship” headed by the neo-gnostics and extreme anti-Catholics like Mormons and SDAs (an unlikely alliance, to be sure) seeks to get at the very kernel of “truth” by distilling the Catholicism from history even further. So what they end up with is an exaggeration of an exaggeration – but with the awful effect that they are more confident that their new historical Frankenstein is even more “pure.”

Have you ever asked a Mormon what he thought about Dan Brown’s DaVinci Code? Or when has a SDA ever shown the most remote interest in what the history of Christianity? Try talking to an atheist or agnostic member of the culture of death about the Church and watch him or her foam at the mouth. And now the new history places stronger emphasis on the evils the Church commited while downplaying her contributions. This is, roughly, the battlefield upon which each Catholic treads.

Being Catholic is lot like being an X-Man – you work so hard to save the world from itself but in the end you are too tempting a scapegoat to leave untouched. So what if we gave the world universities, hospitals, the natural sciences, constitutional governments, and the best art, theology, and philosophy in of both the East and West? None of that means anything to someone like you – you’d rather rip it all down so you can stand on that mess like the king of new hill.

But Matthew 16:18 says that will never happen. Right now, in another thread, someone with the same denominational leanings is blasting Catholicism for condemning all non-Catholics to Hell. And here you are blasting us for THE EXACT OPPOSITE REASON. Logic demands that both assumptions cannot possibly be correct simultaneously but there is ample room to suggest that maybe, just maybe both are completely wrong.

This does not matter to you. What matters is that you keep this multifront war against Catholicism hot and hit us from every side imaginable.

:cool: G’head. This is just another day in the growing list of over 730,000 days we have gone through already.
 
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excatholic:
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999

Potential Pope Declares Jesus Is NotThe Only Way!

Cardinal Francis Arinze, who’s considered a possible successor to Pope John Paul II, has denied Jesus is the only way to heaven. In a recent interview the pope’s spirited 66 year-old deputy for outreach to other religions was asked, “So was Jesus wrong when he said he was the way, the truth and the life?” Arinze responed, “If a person were to push what you said a little further and say that if you’re not a Christian you’re not going to heaven, we’d regard that person as a fundamentalist…and theologically wrong. I met in Pakistan a Muslim. He had a wonderful concept of the Koran. We were like two twins that had known one another from birth. And I was in admiration of this man’s wisdom. I think that man will go to heaven. There was a Buddhist in Kyoto, in Japan. This man, a good man, open, listening, humble–I was amazed. I listened to his works of wisdom and said to myself, 'The grace of God is working in this man.” The interviewer then repeated the question, “So you can still get to heaven without accepting Jesus?” “Expressly, yes [he laughs with the audience].” (Dallas Morning News, 3/20/99) Read John 14:6 and Acts 4:12


Council of Trent 1545-1564

CANON lI.-If any one saith, that, in the sacred and holy sacrament of the Eucharist, the substance of the bread and wine remains conjointly with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and denieth that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the Blood-the species Only of the bread and wine remaining-which conversion indeed the Catholic Church most aptly calls Transubstantiation; let him be anathema.

So let me get this straight, anyone can get to heaven and we don’t need Jesus to get there. I am anathema (damned or condemned) because I cant swallow transubstantiation, no pun intended.

To anyone who relies upon the RCC for salvation know this. John 14:5-6 says “5 Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me
Hi ex,
The only reason anyone is going to heaven is because they believe in Christ. " Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess" Never let anyone think for one moment that a person can work for his salvation. All is faith through grace.
God’s wisdom will boomerang on all of these evil teachings when He has all believing in Christ and all sins cast away. leaving works to be judged.
Any Christian who praises evil teachings, and any teaching other than Christ is evil, is lacking in wisdom and knowledge of God. God’s wisdom is blinding him to Christ because he seeks the praise of men.
Christ be with you
walk in love
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Ex Cat,

I was once just like you…You are wrong. All that stuff that your fundamentalist buddies are feeding you is both unscriptural & unhistoric.

First: your whole concept is that the Bible alone is the deposit of faith.
Not so…Please consider that the Bible makes no such claim about itself…anywhere. In fact 1 Timothy 3:15 says clearly that the church is the pillar & ground of the truth :hmmm: There is just far too much evidence (in scripture) that Sacred Tradition was always meant to help us rightly divide the word of truth. I would strongly suggest that you go to www.Catholicapologetics.com & get any of their fine (& inexpensive!) booklets that will give you very good answers to your questions. Also the main Catholic Answers website isn’t exactly a slouch…LOL :rotfl: ( I LOVE this place!!!).

The real quaestion is…How honest are you willing to be? Are you posting here w/ honest questions…or is this just your way of “bangin’” on us Catholics? I was an “ex-catholic” for about 35 years…right up until I was confronted about the Blessed Virgin by a guy who said we worship her… I told him that I’d been born & raised in the church & had never heard such fooloishness before but that I would check it out & get back to him. when i did my research I found that the Marian doctrines are scriptural & correct. The guy in question wasn’t at all interested in my answers…he just wanted to “witness” to me…& bash my church. That sort of unloving “witness” is a real drag for the poor guy on the receiving end, & unscriptural, since St. Paul tells us the greatest gift of the Holy Spirit is LOVE.

So… I love ya…like it or not. I understand where you’re coming from. Been there, done that, and used the Tee-shirt to dry my tears at Mass yesterday, when I was in the presence of the risen Christ in the Eucharist. Don’t let all those folks you go to church with pressure you to accept their teaching. If you just look at the real history of Christianity you’ll find it’s all Catholic & that the reformers took some serious liberties w/ the Bible and Christian doctrines. We didn’t add the deutercanonical books…Luther took them (& 4 NT books as well) out. even he believd in the Blessed Virgin being the mother of God…& a lot of other Catholic teaching…like the Eucharist.

It’s all there.

John Cardinal Newman was right when he said," To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant".

Stick around…the Holy Spirit is working here & has something for you.

Pax Tecum
 
excatholic said:
** “So you can still get to heaven without accepting Jesus?” “Expressly, yes [he laughs with the audience]
.” (Dallas Morning News, 3/20/99) **

I didn’t have time to read all the posts, so forgive me if this has been answered, but-

Doesn’t the CCC teach that heaven is open to those who, through no fault of their own, haven’t accepted Jesus?

Is there something incorrect about the Bishop’s statement?
 
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excatholic said:
**“So you can still get to heaven without accepting Jesus?” “Expressly, yes [he laughs with the audience]
.” **

I didn’t have time to read all the posts, so forgive me if this has been answered, but-

Doesn’t the CCC teach that heaven is open to those who, through no fault of their own, haven’t accepted Jesus?

Is there something incorrect about the Bishop’s statement?
 
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I didn’t have time to read all the posts, so forgive me if this has been answered, but-

Doesn’t the CCC teach that heaven is open to those who, through no fault of their own, haven’t accepted Jesus?

Is there something incorrect about the Bishop’s statement?
His post is a false document that has cut parts of the interview out.

There is nothing wrong with what the bishop is saying. The problem is, excatholic does not realize that Jesus’ sacrifice affects those who have never heard of him also. The sacrifice was for all and therefore those who have not heard of Christ can still be saved.

People go to hell when they reject Christ.
 
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excatholic:
Jimmy read what you posted and then read this John14:5-6
5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Yes Jimmy you are right when you say his sacrifice was for every one but God’ Word says in Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. God is a meciful and just God. We have to believe on him for our salvation. John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jimmy Jesus said it so I believe it, he is God and the RCC is not. However the RCC does teach the pope to be god on earth. Apostasy I say.
Dear ex-catholic,
Satan believes in Him, Jesus Christ our Lord. Satan believes in Him. You cannot paraphrase the Bible for your own good.
 
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