Catholic Charismatic Renewal

[Hoxbar]

Could some one please explain the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. I am a pentacostal christian and this sounds like a mixing of the pentacostal faith and catholic faith is this true and how do I find a catholic church like this. I’ve often thought about becoming catholic and if I could find a Catholic church like this I would convert quickly. I’m a firm believer in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and was very excited when I ran across this on the internet.

 

[DebChris]

The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is one of many different movements of the Holy Spirit within the Roman Catholic Church. It began in 1967 when some individuals were on retreat and they experienced the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Within Catholic theology, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, is not seen as a new Sacrament. Rather it is a release of the gifts each of us has already received by virtue of our Baptism and Confirmation. The focus within the Catholic Church is not so much the gifts as it is using the gifts that we have received in service to the Church, and therefore the upbuilding of the kingdom of God.
From its very beginning, the Renewal has had the approval of the Holy See. Some parishes have more active charismatic prayer groups than others. When I first became a part of the renewal I traveled 50 miles in one direction once a week in WI in order to participate in a prayer group. Today, I live in a city with charismatic groups actively involved in several parishes.

 

[cthulhubryan]

Are these parishes involved in deliverance ministries?

 

[narrowpath]

I am always VERY suspicious of charismatic churches (catholic or no) and those claiming ‘baptism of the Holy Spirit’. I think I would stick with a regular parish. Hope you come home soon

 

[po18guy]

The Charismatic renewal is an organized group within Catholicism that stresses prayer in the Holy Spirit and "baptism’ in the Holy Spirit. The baptism is not a Sacrament, but rather is fervent, hands on prayer for the release of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This is exactly how my faith life was ignited. My fear of evangelizing vanished after the gifts of the Holy Spirit were released.

One caveat I must mention is that the movement is sometimes criticized for a disordered stress upon speaking in tongues. Now, tongues are a miraculous manifestation, or we would not see it. However, there are many other manifestations that are even more to be desired, especially the gift of prophecy. This stress upon tongues, at the cost of the other blessings of the Spirit, is disordered, and seems to serve only those present. It must be used in context, among those who can interpret. Saint Paul very clearly wrote of the proper use of these manifestations in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14.

As a Pentecostal, you are already love Christ and are familiar with the blessing of the Holy Spirit. Well, He is present in the Catholic Church, not only amongst the members, but all through the liturgy as well. Check with your local parish, as they likely have a group of charismatics. If not, another nearby parish certainly will. The charismatic groups hold several events each year, and the most Spirit-filled Reconciliation (Confession) of my life occurred during attendance at one of these events. However, He is present at each and every mass that is celebrated, since He is the power by which all good on earth is done.

At the same time, I must mention an even greater gift that awaits you within the Catholic Church. It is Jesus Christ in the Flesh. Emmanuel. God with us. Once you receive the grace to believe that the Lord’s supper (Eucharist - “thanks”) is actually the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, that it traces directly back in an unbroken line to Christ - you realize that you have nowhere else to go.

If your heart is open to it, you will find that your Pentecostal background is a wonderful foundation to make the leap to an even deeper, more profound faith. The Holy Spirit will erase any doubts that you have. Keep seeking the truth in its fulness and it will be revealed to you. May Christ’s peace always be with you.

 

[KingAlfred]

Could some one please explain the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. I am a pentacostal christian and this sounds like a mixing of the pentacostal faith and catholic faith is this true and how do I find a catholic church like this. I’ve often thought about becoming catholic and if I could find a Catholic church like this I would convert quickly. I’m a firm believer in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and was very excited when I ran across this on the internet.

No offense…but if that’s the only kind of Catholicism you find acceptable, Catholicism might not be compatible with your beliefs, after all. Charismatic Renewal is supposed to be nothing more than a different venue of worship. *Catholic theology and doctrine remain in effect. *

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

1967 when some individuals were on retreat and they experienced the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

of course, the late sixties were known as the new pentecost in the church. it’s when the ‘spirit’ of vatican II was created. what wonderful changes! commuion in the hand, priest facing the congregation, hand holding, folk music, all venacular, away with tradition!!

 

[maber43]

Could some one please explain the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. I am a pentacostal christian and this sounds like a mixing of the pentacostal faith and catholic faith is this true and how do I find a catholic church like this. I’ve often thought about becoming catholic and if I could find a Catholic church like this I would convert quickly. I’m a firm believer in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and was very excited when I ran across this on the internet.

I’ve known some catholic were in involved in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal or Movement. However, some of these catholic has left the Church for Pentecostal Churches. There a very few charismatic catholic left in the Pittsburgh area. You have to be very careful out there.

 

[Joyful_1]

You could call Renewal Ministries. They may be able to tell you where there is a group of Charismatic Catholics. Here is their website. My dad went to a Renewal Ministries Institute and He said it was even better than the worship at the Protestant Church we used to go to before we became Catholic. Our old church was very prophetic and Charismatic.

Let me tell you, though, there is way more in the Catholic Church than the Charismatic Renewal to make you want to join. The Eucharist being foremost and not to mention the fullness of truth, etc… I can’t begin to tell you how much deeper my faith has become since becoming Catholic. That’s not just because of the Charismatic Renewal.:harp:

 

[Shlomey]

The only charismatic “Catholic” “pastor” I have met thus far was someone who wanted me to cater to protestantism and then later on called me names and an anti-Catholic liar.

I am very sceptical towards them.

 

[Joyful_1]

The only charismatic “Catholic” “pastor” I have met thus far was someone who wanted me to cater to protestantism and then later on called me names and an anti-Catholic liar.

I am very sceptical towards them.

I’m sorry you had this bad experience, but please do not judge the whole group based on one bad example. This is not fair to the rest of us.

 

[bpcatholic]

Depending where you live, many parishes have Mass with the drums and all.

 

[CassiusLonginus]

The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is one of many different movements of the Holy Spirit within the Roman Catholic Church. It began in 1967 when some individuals were on retreat and they experienced the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Hmm, I thought that any baptized Catholic is baptized with water and the Holy Ghost. So, in '67 these folks were rebaptized with the Holy Ghost (albeit, still the same sacrament that they received as infants and not a new one)?

Within Catholic theology, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, is not seen as a new Sacrament.

Good, since we’re all baptized with the Holy Ghost the first time we’re baptized.

Rather it is a release of the gifts each of us has already received by virtue of our Baptism and Confirmation.

So, even though we’re all baptized with water and the Holy Ghost, and even though we’re all confirmed and thereby receive the gifts of the Holy Ghost, only those who are somehow AGAIN baptized by the Holy Ghost experience this ‘release’ of the gifts of the Holy Ghost? WHAT!? And what are the gifts of the Holy Ghost??? If I remember correctly the gifts of the Holy Ghost are Wisdom, Understanding, Counsel, Fortitude, Knowledge, Piety, and Fear of the Lord, and as far as I can remember, these are gifts received at Confirmation.

 

[bpcatholic]

I heard from a priest that the seeds of rebirth are given at baptism, not the rebirth itself. Is this right? Sounds heretical.

 

[CassiusLonginus]

I heard from a priest that the seeds of rebirth are given at baptism, not the rebirth itself. Is this right? Sounds heretical.

“Seeds of rebirth”? Not sure what he’s talking about. Baptism wipes away the stain of original sin.

 

[bpcatholic]

“Seeds of rebirth”? Not sure what he’s talking about. Baptism wipes away the stain of original sin.

He is saying that when we are baptized/confirmed seeds are planted for rebirth. In other words, the person wasn’t really born again…that comes later with some sort of conversion experience. At least that is my impression of what he is saying.

 

[po18guy]

So, even though we’re all baptized with water and the Holy Ghost, and even though we’re all confirmed and thereby receive the gifts of the Holy Ghost, only those who are somehow AGAIN baptized by the Holy Ghost experience this ‘release’ of the gifts of the Holy Ghost? WHAT!? And what are the gifts of the Holy Ghost??? If I remember correctly the gifts of the Holy Ghost are Wisdom, Understanding, Counsel, Fortitude, Knowledge, Piety, and Fear of the Lord, and as far as I can remember, these are gifts received at Confirmation.

Right you are. However, the “baptism” (also known as being slain in the Spirit) is not a sacramental baptism. It is fervent prayer for the release of those seven gifts already received. A heart of fear can keep the gifts locked up, as it did in my case. All I can tell you is that my fear of speaking about and sharing my faith disappeared afterward. Also the particular charism that I had already received was revealed to me. It all became very clear after I underwent this prayerful process.

Many Catholics are very wary of the charismatic movement, and not without reason. Thee can be an unhealthy stress upon, or even an insistence upon speaking in tongues. I have never uttered a single word in tongues, as that is not my charism. I am only occasionally involved in the movement. However, I will tell you that my faith life simply exploded and I began to realize the fruits of the charism I had received. I had not seen this before.

It also opened me up to other aspects of prayer. I have seen minor miracles in prayer since then. I have no doubts, even though others have them. Many Bishops and Archbishops have given their approval to the movement. Our auxiliary Bishop even lead one of them. It is not an end unto itself, but rather a means to an end - increased faith. So, while it may not be for everyone, it made a 100% difference in my faith life.

 

[CassiusLonginus]

Right you are. However, the “baptism” (also known as being slain in the Spirit) is not a sacramental baptism. It is fervent prayer for the release of those seven gifts already received. A heart of fear can keep the gifts locked up, as it did in my case.

I assume that this is the perennial teaching of the Catholic Church? Oh wait…this is simply an issue of tepidity, aka, lukewarmness, and has less to do with ‘fervent prayer for the release of those seven gifts already received’, and more to do with simply doing the will of God, rather than one’s own will. So why invent some new terminology and ideology (i.e. being slain in the Spirit and baptism of the Holy Ghost), when souls have already been dealing with the real issue here for the last 2000 years?

All I can tell you is that my fear of speaking about and sharing my faith disappeared afterward.

Yes, that’s usually what happens when we start doing God’s will rather than our own, and being concerned with human respect (e.g. what are they going to think about me if I talk to them about X)

Also the particular charism that I had already received was revealed to me.

In what way? By whom?

It all became very clear after I underwent this prayerful process.

What is your particular charism? Seriously, I’m asking you. What’s yours?

Many Catholics are very wary of the charismatic movement, and not without reason. Thee can be an unhealthy stress upon, or even an insistence upon speaking in tongues.

Yes, this happens when people babble nonsensically and nobody seems to have the gift of understanding…

 

[po18guy]

I assume that this is the perennial teaching of the Catholic Church? Oh wait…this is simply an issue of tepidity, aka, lukewarmness, and has less to do with ‘fervent prayer for the release of those seven gifts already received’, and more to do with simply doing the will of God, rather than one’s own will. So why invent some new terminology and ideology (i.e. being slain in the Spirit and baptism of the Holy Ghost), when souls have already been dealing with the real issue here for the last 2000 years?

You are certainly a hard sell! Call it what you want, it was written of by Saint Paul in 1 Corinthians, so it’s nothing new. The terms are new, but the concept and practice go clear on back. Try this: ask your Priest and Bishop if it’s OK.

Yes, that’s usually what happens when we start doing God’s will rather than our own, and being concerned with human respect (e.g. what are they going to think about me if I talk to them about X)

Well, God bless you! if you have the inner strength to do God’s will on your own. For us weaker brothers and sisters, we need help. It was our answer.

In what way? By whom?

All I can tell you is that it was revealed to me mysteriously, bit by bit. I found myself doing things that matched perfectly with the charism. The Holy Spirit is the Whom.

What is your particular charism? Seriously, I’m asking you. What’s yours?

The misunderstood one - prophecy.

Yes, this happens when people babble nonsensically and nobody seems to have the gift of understanding…

It must be done with interpretation (and rarely is), and is more useful with non-believers, just as Saint Paul wrote. Like I said, it’s never happened to me and probably never will. Doesn’t bother me one bit!

Point is, those of us with hardened hearts, or who are weak need a ‘push’ to get us going. The prayerful release of the gifts did it for me. It may not be for you. It did involve me submitting to the Lord and risking looking like a fool. I did it. Never looked back.

 

[CassiusLonginus]

You are certainly a hard sell! Call it what you want, it was written of by Saint Paul in 1 Corinthians, so it’s nothing new. The terms are new, but the concept and practice go clear on back. Try this: ask your Priest and Bishop if it’s OK.

Well, that’s my point. What’s with the new terms that ‘suggest’ something that’s just not there! We receive a new life in baptism, we receive the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost in confirmation, so why do we need to suggest that ‘some’ of the brethren receive further help? If you ask me, these new terms are highly misleading, and the fact that you or others mention that this was a novel thing in ‘67 just adds to the absurdity of the notion that there is this new mysticism. It’s just the same, good ol’ stuff that saints have been doing for millenia. There is no new ‘baptism of the holy ghost’ etc. That ALL happened…THE FIRST (only) TIME (no offense to you).

Well, God bless you! if you have the inner strength to do God’s will on your own.

That’s EXACTLY the point. It isn’t done ‘on my own’. It’s all the grace of God, which is what you and I and 2000 years worth of sinners and saints have responded to in varying degrees etc. It has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with God’s goodness, God’s providence, and that divine invasion.

For us weaker brothers and sisters, we need help.

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The misunderstood one - prophecy.

By all means, please help me understand, because I admit I don’t know anything about ‘prophecy’, especially when you say that it is generally misunderstood.

The prayerful release of the gifts did it for me. It may not be for you. It did involve me submitting to the Lord and risking looking like a fool. I did it. Never looked back.

Yeah, responding to God’s will usually brings great fruits…yeah, submission to God is what it’s all about. But I just find it strange the way it’s referred to…A prayerful ‘release’ etc. If somebody becomes lukewarm it follows that God’s grace is not all that important, whereas if one is fervent, God will supply more and more grace. The ‘charismatic’ terminology just throws me. It just seems so deceptive, especially to suggest that there is this ‘new’ sort of ‘baptism’ of the ‘holy ghost’ even though that has already happened with every baptized person…