Catholic charities breaking law on homosexual adoption

[CGDouglas]

Catholic charities breaking law on homosexual adoption
Catholic charities who discriminate against homosexual couples who want to adopt children are breaking the law, the Charity Tribunal has ruled.

Published: 7:56AM BST 03 Jun 2009

The tribunal ruled that a “heterosexuals only” policy in the adoption field of the Catholic Church in England and Wales would fall foul of the ban on discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation brought in two years ago.

The Tribunal’s ruling leaves leading charity Catholic Care (Diocese of Leeds) facing a deep religious impasse and creates a fundamental conflict between the tenets of the Catholic Church and the law of the land.

f the charity now sticks to Church policy and continues to follow its “heterosexuals only” policy it could lose its charity status and public funding.

It might also face discrimination claims by same-sex couples it has turned away in the past.

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I don’t see why Catholic charities have to support this disgusting law.

God Bless.

Chris.

 

[estesbob]

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I don’t see why Catholic charities have to support this disgusting law.

God Bless.

Chris.

They will just have to quit providing adoption assistance and children will be hurt but children always seem to bear the brunt of the lefts secular humanism agenda.

 

[PureGrace]

They will just have to quit providing adoption assistance and children will be hurt but children always seem to bear the brunt of the lefts secular humanism agenda.

I think that children also bear the brunt of the ultra-conservative religious right agenda just as much as they might bear the brunt of the lefts secular humanism agenda.

I’ve seen it. And experienced it.

 

[estesbob]

I think that children also bear the brunt of the ultra-conservative religious right agenda just as much as they might bear the brunt of the lefts secular humanism agenda.

I’ve seen it. And experienced it.

I havent seen it-not one single govt program impacting children was cut during the Bush years-in fact most received substantial increases. of course i am sure you are not going to claim that the infant death toll from Conservative policies comes anywhere the 1.2 million children killed a year on the Liberal altar of “choice”

 

[Dale_M]

I don’t see why Catholic charities have to support this disgusting law.

Breaking with the law would cost them their government funding and their special tax status. Would they be able to operate if they voluntarily gave up the government money and paid full taxes?

 

[aggiecatholic05]

noone is ever obliged to obey an unjust law.

-a law that says give children to unmarried people(which all gay couples qualify as-no paper can change that) is an unjust law.
-a law that tries to tell the Church to go against its teachings is an unjust law

they should do nothing different. keep helping the children, but not cave to the depravity of the pro-‘gay marriage’ advocates. the Church will always be persecuted, but will NEVER fail.

 

[JReducation]

Wait a minute here, I have a question. I don’t know anything about UK law. Is it possible for Catholic Charities to retain its legal status if it closed its adoption services?

There was a similar situation in Boston, MA. The Cardinal simply said that Catholic Charities would close its adoption services. The Cardinal said that he was sad to have to do this, but it happened and Catholic Charity kept its legal status.

It didn’t turn out too well for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts either. They had to assume the financial responsibility of all those adoptions that Catholic Charities handles for much less money. That’s the price that the State pays when it tries to tell private organizations how to operate their business.

But I digress . . . can Catholic Charities close its adoption services in the UK and keep its legal status?

We can’t give advice or comment with objectivity if we don’t know how the system works, not from the US perspective.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[rossum]

Wait a minute here, I have a question. I don’t know anything about UK law. Is it possible for Catholic Charities to retain its legal status if it closed its adoption services?

I would probably have to re-register as a new charity with a different purpose; it depends on the exact details of what their current registration says. There is a BBC news article from January this year about this general issue at Agencies obey gay adoption rules. It appears that different charities are reacting differently, now that their previous exemption from the legislation has run out.

rossum

 

[tm30]

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I don’t see why Catholic charities have to support this disgusting law.

God Bless.

Chris.

Their best bargaining chip is to dare the gov’t to revoke their charity status, because not only will they be losing the adoptive services, but the other services they provide as well.

This is an important situation to monitor. There is no moral reason for Catholic Charities to obey that law.

 

[Soutane]

I think that children also bear the brunt of the ultra-conservative religious right agenda just as much as they might bear the brunt of the lefts secular humanism agenda.

I’ve seen it. And experienced it.

Unsupported assertions will get you short shrift on these fora.

 

[PureGrace]

Unsupported assertions will get you short shrift on these fora.

Without intending to sound pompous or evasive, I would rather not go any further. Having been hurt, I would rather not go into it. Sorry.

 

[BobCatholic]

I think that children also bear the brunt of the ultra-conservative religious right agenda just as much as they might bear the brunt of the lefts secular humanism agenda.

I’ve seen it. And experienced it.

The “ultra-conservative religious right agenda” is not the one doing the imposing of their beliefs here. But I guess that’s OK…

 

[estesbob]

Without intending to sound pompous or evasive, I would rather not go any further. Having been hurt, I would rather not go into it. Sorry.

I am sorry you got hurt and of course you are under no obligation to share your experience.

 

[StrawberryJam]

Someone pinch me, but when was the UK or the USA a catholic country? Neither are, and I see this the same way that catholics react to shira law being imposed. I am an American and this country does not have to bow to a catholic belief on anything.

 

[rlg94086]

Someone pinch me, but when was the UK or the USA a catholic country? Neither are, and I see this the same way that catholics react to shira law being imposed. I am an American and this country does not have to bow to a catholic belief on anything.

What in the world are you talking about? Who is calling on this country to “bow to a Catholic belief?” This thread is about a Catholic organization bowing to secular law. You have it completely mixed up.

As far as being in favor of some Catholic beliefs becoming law, if the majority approves of such a belief, then the country isn’t “bowing to it.”

 

[estesbob]

Someone pinch me, but when was the UK or the USA a catholic country? Neither are, and I see this the same way that catholics react to shira law being imposed. I am an American and this country does not have to bow to a catholic belief on anything.

I think you have this backwards-the Govt is requiring the Church to reject its doctrines. The Church has not tried to force the Govt not to allow homosexuals to adopt children-it has merely said it will not particiapte in such adoptions. So the question is whom is trying to force their beleifes on whom? It aint the Church

 

[StrawberryJam]

What in the world are you talking about? Who is calling on this country to “bow to a Catholic belief?” This thread is about a Catholic organization bowing to secular law. You have it completely mixed up.

As far as being in favor of some Catholic beliefs becoming law, if the majority approves of such a belief, then the country isn’t “bowing to it.”

This is simply a matter for UK law to decide. That law does not have to be fair in catholic eyes.

Catholic organizations have bowed to secular law on other matters in their hospitals.

This is upsetting to catholics, I am sure. But, even they realize what makes most sense in the end if they chose to continue in their capacity at all.

 

[rlg94086]

I think you have this backwards-the Govt is requiring the Church to reject its doctrines. The Church has not tried to force the Govt not to allow homosexuals to adopt children-it has merely said it will not particiapte in such adoptions. So the question is whom is trying to force their beleifes on whom? It aint the Church

Exactly.

Laws are based on the will of the people, but basic rights, such as the freedom to practice one’s religion, should be protected. There is no reason that Catholic (or Muslim for that matter) organizations should be forced to place kids into the home of homosexual couples. The state can create institutions to do it.

 

[rlg94086]

This is simply a matter for UK law to decide. That law does not have to be fair in catholic eyes.

Catholic organizations have bowed to secular law on other matters in their hospitals.

This is upsetting to catholics, I am sure. But, even they realize what makes most sense in the end if they chose to continue in their capacity at all.

So, you are against freedom of speech and religion? Are there any other rights you would like the government to take away?

 

[Dale_M]

I think you have this backwards-the Govt is requiring the Church to reject its doctrines.

I’m not sure that is quite the case. The UK government is saying that if the Church wants to be a partner with the government in adoption, then it has to abide by government rules. The Telegraph article seems to indicate that these Catholic adoption agencies could continue… they just couldn’t receive government funding or a special charity tax status.
Telegraph article:

If the charity now sticks to Church policy and continues to follow its “heterosexuals only” policy it could lose its charity status and public funding.