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Dauphin
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Who would say otherwise? This doesn’t make unity of belief irrelevant.
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mlldrl
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Super,
Hope you’ve had fun! Your trash the truth party won’t last long.
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Hope you’ve had fun! Your trash the truth party won’t last long.
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Roguemelody
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Dauphin
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During the Western Schism, the Roman line of Popes was the only valid one. It’s impossible to have more than one Pope at a time.
The legend of Pope Joan is just that - a legend. It has absolutely no substantiation. The fact that you’d use it just demonstrates what kind of a “scholar” you are. You brag about you massive library, and they bring out arguments a child could refute.
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Dauphin
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This is a lie. Nowhere has it been contended that being a formal member of the Roman Catholic Church is a neccesity of means for salvation. However, being part of the Body of Christ and assenting, to the best of your ability, to Catholic doctrine *is *necessary.
You came and dumped a load of horse manure on this thread, throwing out so many ludicrous allegations that no one has the time to wade through your posts trying to refute them.
Not clear at all. You seem to have little understanding of the Catholic faith or of the historical events involving the Catholic Church. If it’s taken 24 years for you to arrive at this state of ignorance and bigotry, perhaps religious scholarship just isn’t for you!
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lizaanne
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justinthemartyr
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Did you know, as a Christian, that if you lived previous to 1521ad. you would know nothing other than catholic teaching, because you would be have been Catholic. Even if you were part of the schism, and left the church, you would have still followed 98+% of what the Catholic Church teaches.Hello Everyone,
In light of several apalling threads out there regarding protestants and our Faith I just had this need to put this out there…
Why does it seem that SOME catholics assume that protestants are idiots who gave no thought as to what we believe?
Did you know…
That most protestants, including myself, have done research - prayed heavily - talked to others - and done more research before deciding which belief system to follow??? We didn’t just happen on it and decide that this was it without another thought. Contrary to SOME catholics beliefs we are not stupid. We put a LOT of thought into what we believe and it is so hurtful and ignorant to assume that we are just morons who can’t think for ourselves.
Did you know…
Most protestants don’t know much about the catholic Faith and even tho they have objections regarding said Faith they certainly DON’T protest it. I would fall into this group. Growing up I had never really learned anything (good or bad) about Catholocism and hadn’t given it much thought. When I hear that I am a protestant because I protest the church it confuses me, since how could I protest something I know little about and never gave much thought to??? I may disagree with some teachings but I in no way protest it…
Did you know…
That we love Christ just as much as you?
Did you know…
That God loves us just as much as you?
We are told:
John 13:34
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
John 13:33-35 (in Context) John 13 (Whole Chapter)
John 13:35
By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
John 13:34-36 (in Context) John 13 (Whole Chapter)
Romans 12:10
Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.
Romans 12:9-11 (in Context) Romans 12 (Whole Chapter)
Romans 13:8
Love, for the Day is Near ] Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:7-9 (in Context) Romans 13 (Whole Chapter)
We need to remember to LOVE one another. We will not judge eachother (Thank the Lord!) God will do the judging so leave that to Him.
And for those who think we, as protestants, are without Faith or hate Christ (it is so sad that some believe this) talk to God before you spread this anti-protestant gibberish any further…
So in short - protestants are not idiots, so stop treating us like we are…
did you happen to realise this, in all your studies?
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Super_Sola
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Gotta love that Vatican historical revisionism. Before 1521 were MANY Christian groups preaching the true faith, and against Rome, and Rome was killing them and trying to stamp out their existence lest someone find out there was more than one group claiming Apostolic succession! Rome was killing the Waldensians for hundreds of years prior to the reformation, and other groups, like the Bohemians, Paulicians, Albigneses, etc. But the gates of Hell did not prevail against the true Church, and Rome has NEVER been able to stamp out Biblical Christianity, though she has tried BY THE SWORD for a long time, and here in America, through blatant lying.
Dauphin’s posts are a beautiful example of simply making it up as you go along. One lie upon another. The sad thing is Dauphin is calling unclean what God has made clean, and attributing to the Devil the work of the Holy Spirit in my life. Dauphin is dangerously close to the blapshemy that will not be forgiven, but this individual continues on in reckless Crusader fashion.
Thank God that WHOSOEVER CALLS UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED, no matter what some bigoted Papist says!
Oh and the “legend” of Pope Joan is every bit as “legendary” as the infallability of the Pope, Mariolotry, Apostolic Succession through Rome, indulgenses, and any history book written by a Catholic. All your histories and “proofs” have as much evidence as Pope Joan.
The Albigensians were FAR MORE CHRISTLIKE than the heretics who felt they had a right to murder them. The Albigensians HURT NO ONE, but Rome has hurt many. You say I said saying they were more Christian than the “Christian church” is wrong. Excuse me fallacy meister, but you are ASSUMING what needs to be proven–that Rome IS “the Church”. You couldn’t prove that if your soul depended on it, and it does. What I have been posting–Biblical and historical FACTS papists HATE prove Rome cannot be what she claims. Rome’s history is EVIL, oppression, suppression, illiteracy and hate. Such a monster is not THE “church” but the bloody imposter we were warned about in Revelation 17, sporting herself as a Queen. You can’t deal with EVIDENCE, that is all.
The most anti-Catholic book ever written was the Bible, of which a study reveals to us what Rome really is–a religio-politco Institution bent on global domination. Yes, we KNOW what spirit she is of, desiring to lord it over others.
Lampo asks:
Who are you trying to kid?
Dauphin’s posts are a beautiful example of simply making it up as you go along. One lie upon another. The sad thing is Dauphin is calling unclean what God has made clean, and attributing to the Devil the work of the Holy Spirit in my life. Dauphin is dangerously close to the blapshemy that will not be forgiven, but this individual continues on in reckless Crusader fashion.
Thank God that WHOSOEVER CALLS UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED, no matter what some bigoted Papist says!
Oh and the “legend” of Pope Joan is every bit as “legendary” as the infallability of the Pope, Mariolotry, Apostolic Succession through Rome, indulgenses, and any history book written by a Catholic. All your histories and “proofs” have as much evidence as Pope Joan.
The Albigensians were FAR MORE CHRISTLIKE than the heretics who felt they had a right to murder them. The Albigensians HURT NO ONE, but Rome has hurt many. You say I said saying they were more Christian than the “Christian church” is wrong. Excuse me fallacy meister, but you are ASSUMING what needs to be proven–that Rome IS “the Church”. You couldn’t prove that if your soul depended on it, and it does. What I have been posting–Biblical and historical FACTS papists HATE prove Rome cannot be what she claims. Rome’s history is EVIL, oppression, suppression, illiteracy and hate. Such a monster is not THE “church” but the bloody imposter we were warned about in Revelation 17, sporting herself as a Queen. You can’t deal with EVIDENCE, that is all.
The most anti-Catholic book ever written was the Bible, of which a study reveals to us what Rome really is–a religio-politco Institution bent on global domination. Yes, we KNOW what spirit she is of, desiring to lord it over others.
What are you talking about??? The Popes promised them indulgenses, and a SHORT STAY in Purgatory! Dare you contradict what previous Popes uttered? They commended the Crusaders, and promised them an EASY OUT if they got a little carried away. So who is telling the truth, you or the Popes of the Crusade times??? Having a little trouble with facts, are we Dauphin? Your historical improvisation may work on other “unlettered” Catholics, but it will never work on someone who actually READS history, and has books on the Crusades. And thank God I live in America, where Rome has not been able to suppress learning and the Bible like she has IN EVERY SINGLE NATION WHERE SHE HAD POLITICAL POWER.
Lampo asks:
No you won’t convert, no matter how much evidence is presented.
Who are you trying to kid?
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vocatio
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Catholic Christian…that’s like saying someone is a Judaic Jew or somethink like that. And I certainly do not believe all Protestants are the same. But I find it strange that a Protestant would allow someone to call them Protestant. That’s like admitting to something you dont’ beleive is true. When I was a “Protestant”…church of Christ…we never allowed anyone to call us Protestant…that’s a Catholic thing and like all the “so called denominations” out there we refuted them all saying that ther is only one church…the church of Christ. That is actually Catholic teaching…only it was hijacked it seems by this group trying to validate themselves as the original church. It’s far to long of a story to get into her and would require explanation in detail thinking at the time and a view at the Church of Christ’s teaching. Trust me I’m saving you…
My wife just told me that they spent their Saturdays showing “Jule Miller” film strips. Not sure of the spelling. But her father was an elder in the church of Christ. I still believe that Church of Christ have a much better grip of scripture than other Protestant faiths. I’ve actively been to Southern Baptist and non-denominational churches. So I know there is a significant differnce between the individuals as well as the denominations. I think a lot of Catholics have finally discovered that their/our ancient faith is defendable and they’re excited about it. It’s almost vogue to be Protestants that converted to Catholic [Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi, Tim Staples, etc.] with some of them. A Catholic Deacon’s wife told me a month ago that she was always jealous of Protestants because they know the bible so well. I looked at her, laughed and explained that Protestans don’t know the bible more than Catholics…They may think they do or be able to quote BCV but if the meaning is skewed then it’s not the same as “knowing”. I said their are lots of Catholics that know the bible, it’s just vogue to be envious of Protestants.
My wife just told me that they spent their Saturdays showing “Jule Miller” film strips. Not sure of the spelling. But her father was an elder in the church of Christ. I still believe that Church of Christ have a much better grip of scripture than other Protestant faiths. I’ve actively been to Southern Baptist and non-denominational churches. So I know there is a significant differnce between the individuals as well as the denominations. I think a lot of Catholics have finally discovered that their/our ancient faith is defendable and they’re excited about it. It’s almost vogue to be Protestants that converted to Catholic [Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi, Tim Staples, etc.] with some of them. A Catholic Deacon’s wife told me a month ago that she was always jealous of Protestants because they know the bible so well. I looked at her, laughed and explained that Protestans don’t know the bible more than Catholics…They may think they do or be able to quote BCV but if the meaning is skewed then it’s not the same as “knowing”. I said their are lots of Catholics that know the bible, it’s just vogue to be envious of Protestants.
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Dauphin
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Believing that Christ wasn’t human is about as far from “Christ-like” as you can get.
Spare us, please. The Bible was written, assembled, and canonized by Catholics.
You don’t seem to know what an indulgence is or what it effects. I expected as much.
I didn’t. I made a general statement about murder.
Yes, they did. As I said. I believe the crusades to the east to be eminently justified.
I’m not sure what you mean by this.
Your hysterics are getting a bit tiresome. I said that murder was wrong. No Pope has contradicted that.
You say you converted 24 years ago? You seem to have the rhetorical skills of someone who can’t be much older than 12.
Suppress learning? Tell me, which institution founded the universities of Europe?
Suppress the Bible? Tell me, what’s that book that’s always been read at Mass?
This is such a load of crock.
He says that because he knows there is no such evidence. Sola scriptura is a doctrine completely alien to the Church of Christ.
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Lampo
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How do you know? I’ll take your answer as your failure to meet the challenge.
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Dauphin
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Again, I see no evidence that you’ve turned away from any kind of sin or accepted Christ in any sense. All I see are the words of a half-mad protestant who doesn’t understand the subject matter he pretends to be so expert at, and equates the behavior of Catholics with the truth of the Catholic faith.
Your beliefs are a principally 16th-century invention.No amount of historical revisionism on your part can change that.
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Tonks40
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Ok…since you keep bringing this up over and over again, please cite your source for this (historical & upbiased, please).
Uncalled for.
Also uncalled for.
Again, cite your source for this - unbiased and historical, please.
Then, please present us with the evidence…we’re all ears!
Though this appears to be a matter of opinion only, I would like to see where it is in the historical context where the Bible was used as a tool by the Church for total world domination.
You treat Dauphin and other Catholics on this site as if we’ve never picked up a history book! Get over it! You seem to have so much to say - please start backing up your overblown rhetoric with some solid, unbiased facts. If you want to show us the error of our ways, you’re going to have to give us more convincing arguments than your unsolicited, fanatical, and completely off-topic rantings.
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Super Sola
Ephesians 4
Unity in the Body of Christ
" 1As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."
please stop…
Ephesians 4
Unity in the Body of Christ
" 1As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."
please stop…
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Super_Sola
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Dauphin, your baseless ad hominems and historical inventions don’t hold water. You cannot substantiate ANYTHING you have said, and you even spin what you posted earlier. Liars always have to lie about their lies as well. Look at Hillary, lying about her lies when she was in Bosnia.
But I can play your dumb game:
So where does the Bible say Sola Scriptura is wrong??? This will be good. Where does God condemn only trusting His Word?
But I can play your dumb game:
So where does the Bible say Sola Scriptura is wrong??? This will be good. Where does God condemn only trusting His Word?
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Lampo
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Sola scriptura is not in the Bible.
God doesn’t condemn trusting His Word - His *entire *Word. Written *and *spoken Word.
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Dauphin
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What have I said that needed substantiation?
You’ve already agreed that Pope Joan never existed and that the Cathars weren’t protestants. What other factual assertions do you require backup for? List them for me and I’ll provide evidence.
You read something into my words that just wasn’t there. I corrected you.
Cut her some slack. There were snipers in the nearby hills. She exaggerated, but these political controversies are completely without substance. You guys really need to elevate your political discourse. I wish you had chosen Mike Huckabee as the republican nominee!
HAHAHA! That’s rich. You ask us to prove that sola scriptura is wrong by using sola scriptura. A funnier request I could not imagine.
If you make the assertion, you’re the one who has to back it up.
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iamrefreshed
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Geeez. Are you for real? Posts like yours only confirm how far the protestants have strayed from the Truth.
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nsper7
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Being emotional/passionate is one thing. being obnoxiously bombastic is quite another. You hurl out Scriptural verses without any explanation as to how they are relevant. You quote legendary and questionable sources (i.e. Pope Joan and the like) and you challenge historical evidence. You claim that, prior to 1521, there were numerous ‘Protestant’ groups out there and that it is only revisionist history that denies this. Sorry, there are too many Non-Roman Catholic historians out, as well as the fact that the Roman Catholic Church was scrupulous about recording information about heretical/heterodox, for this claim to stand.
Also, in a theological debate (which this is), you really should try to keep emotion out of it. This isn’t your church’s pulpit nor an open-air street preaching. Rhetoric and brimstone are fine for the passionate sermon, but they only make you appear subject and obnoxious in this kind of discussion.
You should read better commentary, especially on the Matthew 23:8 passage you quoted. I direct you to J. P. Holding’s Do We Call Men “Master” or Not? and this website’s Call No Man “Father”?. This shows an example of ignoring Scriptural context and linguistics. If you are going to make arguments, please do some more research. You claim to be extremely knowledgable and to have a long experience as a Bible-believing Christian…well, it really isn’t showing through here.
Also, I have to love the hypocrisy here. You attack Roman Catholicism for claiming to be the One True Church, but now you’re telling everyone to go find a good NT church and YOU SPECIFY THE DENOMINATION, as though Pentecostal Charismatics are the only ‘true’ NT churches.
Sure you do. As I mentioned earlier, Scripture is a high-context document written in a different language to a difficult culture and time period.
Obnoxiously attaking everyone else, throwing Scripture verses everywhere and continuously going on about how wonderful your brand of Christianity is doesn’t prove anything either.
Now you’re claiming to know Roman Catholicism better than Roman Catholics do. You need to clam down and do some more reading. Cousin Billy-Bob’s “Why I hate those dirty Catholics” doesn’t cut it.
You claim a hefty load of knowledge and I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but so far, very little of that supposed knowledge is trickling down into this argument. So far, all I see are insults and ignorance of history and true Roman Catholic doctrine. Again, calm down and treat this more like a scholarly/academic/theological discussion not the pulpit at your home church.
I’m glad to see he’s an expert on prophecy and the spiritual nature of all Catholic too. Is there anything this guy doesn’t know? After all, he is an expert on Scripture, ‘true’ Roman Catholic doctrine, ‘true’ history and now he knows prophecy too! I hope my sarcasm is detectable
Why don’t you calm down, learn some more and then come on back.
You really need to study some more on these heretical/heterodox groups.
Got to love that. If you can’t outsmart them, threaten them with Hell for disagreeing with you. You’re doing exactly what you accuse the Roman Catholic Church of doing.
Issues such as Papal Infallibility, Mariology, Apostolic Succession, indulgences and the like are matters of theology, not history (although we can point to historical documents that discuss such theological issues). Whether there was a Pope Joan or not is a matter of history, not theology.
You need to study about the Albigensians some more. They were a gnostic heresy/heterodox group! Again, you need to study history also. You’re Anti-Roman Catholicism seems to be clouding your examination of the historical facts and context. Also, studying more prophecy wouldn’t hurt either.
You need to study history and Scripture some more…a lot more I think.
I’m growing tired of these arguments. It’s just riling me up and I don’t want to get a headache.
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Not according to this recent article today.
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