Catholic church lays down dress code

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The mistake that you are making is that you are assuming that because you see someone wearing jeans at your wedding as a sign of disrespect, that God will see someone wearing jeans to mass as a sign of disrespect. The difference is that God is perfect and holy, humans are sinful and petty. What God sees and what you see are two different things.
I agree that God is perfect and Holy and His Holy Word tells us to dress holy (I posted two passages already), and God’s Church also says the same thing.

It is, imo, a twisted sense of logic that says a person is doing a good thing to dress in a suit to a wedding, but that wearing jeans to God’s Holy Banquet is fine…that is placing human concerns above God…it is making humans more important then God.
 
I agree that God is perfect and Holy and His Holy Word tells us to dress holy (I posted two passages already), and God’s Church also says the same thing.

It is, imo, a twisted sense of logic that says a person is doing a good thing to dress in a suit to a wedding, but that wearing jeans to God’s Holy Banquet is fine…that is placing human concerns above God…it is making humans more important then God.
Neither scripture nor the church has said that jeans are inappropriate.
 
As I have said before…the blame falls on the “looker” and not the 'Lookee"

Kathy
I disagree. At some point, the lookee is complicit in being a distraction.

Also, to those who are railing against a dress code, if you priest asked people at mass to dress a certain way, would you refuse? Obedience is important…

I speak about this because I imagine if I was a priest, I would make this one of the first issues – a gentle reminder to dress appropriately (meaning modestly) and that during the summer months, the air con will be sufficiently blasted so that you would rather be wearing a jacket.
 
The problem is one of enforcement. Are you going to have bouncers at the door turning away those considered to be improperly dressed?
 
Jesus was often invited to dinner. How did He, and the other diners dress?
Or how about Saint Francis, did he wear a suit to church, or did he show up in the equivelent of jeans because that was all he had.
 
Jesus was often invited to dinner. How did He, and the other diners dress?
Jesus often wore a seamless garment, which in those days was quite expensive and considered high quality. At the cross the soldiers did not want to ruin the expensive garment by tearing it into pieces.
 
Neither scripture nor the church has said that jeans are inappropriate.
I agree, jeans are not mentioned. Yet, the Bible and the Church speak of proper attire, and “proper” is defined as being respectful, holy, and modest.

Now, you continue to avoid the main point, one that I hope you will address. If you are willing to wear a suit to a wedding, but not to Mass, then you are saying humans are worth more effort then God.
 
I agree, jeans are not mentioned. Yet, the Bible and the Church speak of proper attire, and “proper” is defined as being respectful, holy, and modest.

Now, you continue to avoid the main point, one that I hope you will address. If you are willing to wear a suit to a wedding, but not to Mass, then you are saying humans are worth more effort then God.
Very simple, because getting dressed up for a wedding is a custom. By following the custom, I avoid drawing attention to myself, which is proper because the wedding is not about me. In addition, as I said before, the wedding is partly a human affair and some people seem to get their knickers in a snit if people wear jeans. Out of respect to them, I will bow to their preferences, even though I think their preferences are silly and rather petty.

On the other hand, it is also customary to wear jeans to mass if people choose to. I personally don’t think God cares whether people wear jeans, so I reserve that as my right.
 
Very simple, because getting dressed up for a wedding is a custom. By following the custom, I avoid drawing attention to myself, which is proper because the wedding is not about me. In addition, as I said before, the wedding is partly a human affair and some people seem to get their knickers in a snit if people wear jeans. Out of respect to them, I will bow to their preferences, even though I think their preferences are silly and rather petty.

On the other hand, it is also customary to wear jeans to mass if people choose to. I personally don’t think God cares whether people wear jeans, so I reserve that as my right.
As I said, you are more concerned with humans, then God.
 
I have to get into this conversation again. My clothing is clean and modest. The few Tshirts I own are Tees that have been given to me. My son has given me a few that sport various computer logo stuff on them and a few were given to my husband when he was working at a casino as promo items. These are all men’s tees and are what I where to Mass when I can get there. I am always clean. Why should I be denied the sacraments because of how I dress? I hope it never ever comes to that and I certainly hope I am never judged for how I look either. Winters in Reno get pretty cold and we have to ride the bus to mass. This fall, and I’m not quite sure how we’re going to swing this yet, I’m going have to somehow buy buy a couple pairs of sweatshirts and sweatpants to keep warm not only in our apartment but for times when I do have to wait outside for a bus. These sweats are also going to have to work for me when I go to Mass.
Listen everybody, until Firestone (the tire company) got outsourced a few years ago, my husband had a $55,000 yearly income for a number of years and an out of this world benefits package. We owned a nice 3 bedroom mobile home. We had plenty of food to eat and pay the bills and buy clothing and well just to be able to play with sometimes. Life was indeed good. Then 3,000 employees at the plant were laid off. After 2 years of unemployment (Jim got plenty of interviews but was never hired) we lost our home and had to lifquidate everything in it for really cheap. I think we got around $300 total. What we could take with us we packed up into a small 4x6 trailer and moved to Reno, NV. We were homeless for a brief time but Jim did manage to find a job pretty quickly at a casino paying $8.50/hr. We finally saved enough to find a small one bedroom apartment. We’ve lived here ever since. Jim is now working for Sam’s Club for maybe a dollar an hour more.
Are we happy and content? Most of the time we are extremely grateful for what we do have. Sometimes we complain to each other about our situation. And sometimes we dream of having money again. My husband continues to seek out better paying employment in Reno but we think it is his age that is holding him back now. He is 59. I am 52.
I think all of you are entitled to your opinions about what is and what isn’t appropriate dress for Mass. I just please hope and pray that if you ever see a person walk into the church wearing sweat clothes or jeans and teeshirts or whatever that you extend some mercy toward them in your heart. You really don’t have any idea of what their circumstances are.
And for whatever its worth, I’m not accusing anyone on this thread of judging necessarily. I just really wanted to point out to some of you that even in America the poor aren’t always poor because they choose to be.
Thanks for your time.
Johannah
 
As I said, you are more concerned with humans, then God.
No, because God calls us to be charitable to one another. My dressing up for a wedding when is a form of charity. But my getting wearing a suit to church for mass is not a form of charity towards God. God is not concerned with the externals, he is concerned with the internal state of a person. Let me put it another way. Yes, I would wear a suit to a wedding, but not to my parents for Thanksgiving dinner. Does this imply that I value the person getting married more than my parents? Absolutely not.
 
No, because God calls us to be charitable to one another. My dressing up for a wedding when is a form of charity. But my getting wearing a suit to church for mass is not a form of charity towards God. God is not concerned with the externals, he is concerned with the internal state of a person. Let me put it another way. Yes, I would wear a suit to a wedding, but not to my parents for Thanksgiving dinner. Does this imply that I value the person getting married more than my parents? Absolutely not.
The external is governed by the internal.
 
The external is governed by the internal.
True, to some extent. If I were to show up to mass in my swimming suit, that would say something about my internal state of affairs. However, my showing up in jeans, says very little about my internal state of affairs. All it does is say that I look at what Scripture and the Church teaches and find there is nothing that convicts me not to wear jeans. Given that the Church has not addressed this issue, it is something that we must leave up to an individual’s conscience.
 
No, because God calls us to be charitable to one another. My dressing up for a wedding when is a form of charity. But my getting wearing a suit to church for mass is not a form of charity towards God. God is not concerned with the externals, he is concerned with the internal state of a person. Let me put it another way. Yes, I would wear a suit to a wedding, but not to my parents for Thanksgiving dinner. Does this imply that I value the person getting married more than my parents? Absolutely not.
You consistently state that God does not care about externals, yet I have posted two passages that prove He must give it at least some merit. I know of no Bible passage or Church teaching that says God does not care about externals, if you do please post it here.

Not wearing a suit to Thanksgiving is common because you know what your family’s expectations are. If your family told you Thanksgiving was now a formal attire affair, I am sure you would respect their position. There is no more formal event we can attend then the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The Mass goes beyond any human event, any human endeavor, any human experience–it is the highest level we can reach on earth.
 
You consistently state that God does not care about externals, yet I have posted two passages that prove He must give it at least some merit. I know of no Bible passage or Church teaching that says God does not care about externals, if you do please post it here.
Ok, I will concede that God is not totally unconcerned with externals. For example, I would not show up in a swimming suit. On the other hand, what is appropriate depends upon the context. I once attended mass wearing an old t shirt and ripped shorts. Was it innapropriate, no, because it was a mass for our high school football team right before a game, in that context it was quite appropriate. If jeans are inappropriate for mass, are they inappropriate for daily mass or just sunday mass? If I am walking down the street in Chicago (I used to live there) would it be inappropriate to stop in for an hour of adoration because I happen to have jeans or shorts on? Context matters.
 
Ok, I will concede that God is not totally unconcerned with externals. For example, I would not show up in a swimming suit. On the other hand, what is appropriate depends upon the context. I once attended mass wearing an old t shirt and ripped shorts. Was it innapropriate, no, because it was a mass for our high school football team right before a game, in that context it was quite appropriate. If jeans are inappropriate for mass, are they inappropriate for daily mass or just sunday mass? If I am walking down the street in Chicago (I used to live there) would it be inappropriate to stop in for an hour of adoration because I happen to have jeans or shorts on? Context matters.
Thank you for that chat. I think we both know where we stand.

I am off this thread.

God Bless. 🙂
 
I wonder how we would dress to meet the Pope?
I can answer that.

Terribly!

My family and I were there last October. My wife and I insisted we bring proper attire.

I don’t think I am exagerating when I say my son and I were the only one’s there in jackets and ties.

Obviously I could not see everyone but I saw hundreds.
 
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