Catholic church moves service with rabbi outside

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About 150 people from St. Cronan’s Catholic Church huddled together for warmth under a huge tarp on the street next to their church Tuesday night. They prayed as the rain and wind whipped through their makeshift sanctuary.

Their church building — big, warm and dry — stood just yards away, but the St. Cronan parishioners had decided that they’d rather be cold and wet than without a woman they called their “friend and sister,” Rabbi Susan Talve of Central Reform Congregation.

Talve has spoken at St. Cronan’s, a parish known for its progressive social activism, during many previous prayer services during the Advent season. But this year, the pastoral leadership received a phone call from St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke, asking them to revoke Talve’s invitation.

Talve infuriated Burke last month when she and her board hosted a ceremony for two Catholic women, Rose Marie Hudson and Elsie Hainz McGrath, who were being ordained into a group called Roman Catholic Womenpriests.

The archdiocese has since said it will not participate in interfaith events where Central Reform Congregation is “a leading player.”

On Tuesday night, St. Cronan’s parishioners, and their guests — including Hudson and McGrath — gathered on Swan Avenue in coats, hats and scarves to sing songs, hear readings from the prophet Isaiah and writer Annie Dillard, and listen to a sermon from Talve.

“What a holy place,” said Talve, who joined the Catholic service on the last day of the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah. “I’ve come to love Advent at St. Cronan’s. What many didn’t understand is that this isn’t out of the ordinary. You’ve invited me before. We’re just going on with tradition and custom.”

Afterward, Talve said the event was “something I’ve been invited to do for many years, and I was happy to do it again.” She continued, “I just pray it doesn’t make any difficulty for our friends.”

St. Cronan’s pastor, the Rev. Gerald Kleba, did not attend the service. But Sister Louise Lears, a member of the church’s pastoral team, said afterward that the event “was not a protest. It was not a demonstration. It was a prayer service.”

Parishioner Kathleen Johnson, 56, of Des Peres, said the congregation had simply wanted Talve to take part in an Advent prayer service as has become the church’s custom.

“We wanted Rabbi Susan to be here to show how important it is that we all learn to pray together and accept one another,” she said. “And tonight we did that, despite some misguided advice.”

Ugghh! Social political activism at it’s worst. :mad: The pagan god Allah winked again.
 
The Bishop did the right thing. When I first read about the ‘ordination’ a couple of weeks ago one of the things that troubled me most was that she OK’ed renting out their church for this anti-catholic event.

Shame on the congregation for standing by this woman instead of their Bishop.

What if she rented out her church for a black mass? Would they still stand beside her?
 
“We wanted Rabbi Susan to be here to show how important it is that we all learn to pray together and accept one another,” she said. “And tonight we did that, despite some misguided advice.”
So making a mockery of Catholic ordinations is how we learn to accept one another?
 
Apparently the inclusion of all ideas and (name removed by moderator)ut does not include ideas of those that believe all the teachings of Holy Mother Church. To many it is a pick and choose situation.

If my beliefs were at such great odds with a group (any group) I would not stay a member of that group.

If someone was active in encouraging sin within my home I would ban then from being in my home till they followed the rules of the house. The Catholic Church is my home and house, and many are in very visible ways bring wrong teachings into it.
 
Meanwhile, what on earth is this Rabbi doing at an Advent service? :confused:

Ridiculous, quite ridiculous.

What’s she going to do next, apply to go on Hajj?
 
The Bishop did the right thing. When I first read about the ‘ordination’ a couple of weeks ago one of the things that troubled me most was that she OK’ed renting out their church for this anti-catholic event.

Shame on the congregation for standing by this woman instead of their Bishop.

What if she rented out her church for a black mass? Would they still stand beside her?
You mean their synagogue? Jews don’t have churches.

I find it hysterical that the ‘womenpriests’ couldn’t even find a Christian church that would put up with their shenanigans but had to go to a Jewish synagogue instead :rotfl:
 
St. Cronan’s pastor, the Rev. Gerald Kleba, did not attend the service. But Sister Louise Lears, a member of the church’s pastoral team, said afterward that the event “was not a protest. It was not a demonstration. It was a prayer service.”

I really hope Fr. Gerry wasn’t there b/c he agreed w/ Archbp. Burke. He was Sr. Associate Pastor at my parish a few years ago, and although he is VERY liberal (he was the only priest we’ve had in the 13 yrs I’ve been a member who removed the word “men” from the line of the creed that reads “For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven…”), I pray that he has the sense to be obedient to the Archbishop. I mean, there are those who (mistakenly) believe we could/should have women priests, but they don’t go to the lengths these women have. I’m hoping Fr. Gerry falls into that category, as he is a very sweet man and a charming and charismatic preacher, I would hate to think he’s a total schismatic (but I could very well be wrong 😦 ).

And as for the claim that it was “just a prayer service” and not a protest: Oh please. Then why didn’t they just move it to Central Reform (Susan Talve apparently has no problem hosting “Christian” services), or to the local reception hall or somthing? No, they wanted the media there, to feel sorry for them, standing out in the cold, 'cause the mean ole Archbishop won’t let Rabbi Talve inside the church. That was completely orchestrated. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck…

In Christ,

Ellen
 
I wonder if this rabbi would mind if I stood outside the synagoge with tracts and pamphlets describing the errors of Judaism and the phrophecies proving that Yeshua was and is the messiah?

Same thing, in essence. She thinks she has the right to influence the teachings of the catholic church. Turnabout is fair play.
 
lifesite.net/ldn/2007/dec/07121808.html

This article gives information on the issue of the “false ordination” of two women. Please read.
ST. LOUIS, Missouri, December 18, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - According to the St. Louis Dispatch, approximately 150 people from St. Cronan’s Catholic Church gathered under a big tarp outside their church in the chilly wind and rain last Tuesday for a prayer service with female rabbi Susan Talve. The move outside occurred after a personal phone-call from Archbishop Burke prompted the parish leadership to cancel Talve’s invitation. The advent service turned into just another episode in Talve’s campaign for women priests in the Catholic Church, which has provoked condemnation from both Jews and Catholics alike concerned that her rogue actions are damaging Jewish-Catholic relations in the St. Louis area.
Talve, a Reform Jewish rabbi and promoter of abortion and special privileges for homosexuals, brought to the outdoor service two guests, Rose Marie Hudson and Elsie Hainz McGrath, women who were both “ordained” by a group called Roman Catholic Womenpriests at her own Central Reform Congregation (CRC) on November 11. Appeals from Archbishop Burke and the archdiocese to withdraw hospitality for the event in the interest of Catholic-Jewish relations were ignored. Talve hosted the “ordinations” which then set off a storm of controversy and anguish among Catholic and Jewish leaders.
 
It is truly unfortunate that Rabbi Talve’s hospitality was met with in-hospitality by the Bishop of Saint Louis. It makes the Catholic church appear increasingly petty, irrelevant and heavy handed. Many of my friends have left the Church due in part to the present and previous Bishops of this diocese. I think that Archbishop Burke continues to miss many pastoral and teaching moments.
 
I wonder if this rabbi would mind if I stood outside the synagoge with tracts and pamphlets describing the errors of Judaism and the phrophecies proving that Yeshua was and is the messiah?

Same thing, in essence. She thinks she has the right to influence the teachings of the catholic church. Turnabout is fair play.
Pretty much say it all. :rolleyes: The church was hospitable, but sounds like she wore out her welcome. :rolleyes:
 
I am growing more and more sad at the lack of love being shown to others by Catholics. I have never read in the story of Jesus’ life of an example such as this. Burke felt “slapped”, so he “slapped” back. I am so weary of the self righteous attitude Burke displays.

I think it would have served the Church better for Burke to also be at the service and extend grace. This is a grotesque distortion of the message of Jesus, the Messiah. IMHO

I am embarrassed by this action of our local ordinary.

Don’t worry, I won’t respond further, since I am sure you would like for me to be out in the cold as well.

Peace,
Mike:(
 
It is truly unfortunate that Rabbi Talve’s hospitality was met with in-hospitality by the Bishop of Saint Louis. It makes the Catholic church appear increasingly petty, irrelevant and heavy handed. Many of my friends have left the Church due in part to the present and previous Bishops of this diocese. I think that Archbishop Burke continues to miss many pastoral and teaching moments.
You have it backwards. Archbishop Burke was hospitable to Rabbi Talve by having in the church on many occasions. That hospitality was answered by Rabbi Talve by hosting an anti-catholic ‘ordination’.

Other than you having it completely backwards your post was great:rolleyes:
 
I take it you are not in Saint Louis. Burke has never been in favor of Talve’s presence at the Advent service of this parish. He has been seeking a way to bar her for some time.

Of course that news never makes it to this forum because the parish has never wanted to make Burke look unfavorable…he does that on his own.
 
LOL, Rabbi Susan. Reform Judaism to real Judaism is like Unitarianism to Christianity.
 
It is truly unfortunate that Rabbi Talve’s hospitality was met with in-hospitality by the Bishop of Saint Louis. It makes the Catholic church appear increasingly petty, irrelevant and heavy handed. Many of my friends have left the Church due in part to the present and previous Bishops of this diocese. I think that Archbishop Burke continues to miss many pastoral and teaching moments.
You are free to think what ever you like but Archbishop Burke was correct to do what he did. This woman supports ordination of women as Catholic priests which is none of her business as she is not Catholic or even Christian, she supports gay rights which the Catholic church is against, she supports abortion. Why should she be allowed to speak in a Catholic church. That would be like expecting a black Missionary Baptist church to allow a member of the KKK to speak or a synagog to allow a neo-Nazi to speak. If your friends left the church because of Archbishop Burke or other Bishops who were/are teaching the faith they were not Catholic in the first place.
 
Personally, I think we’d be better off if those who didn’t like Church teachings would just leave her and be done with it. Then we’d have a powerful organized minority.
 
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