Well that is good I know how you feel I have also felt that between hispanics in our own parish but some people I guess you just can’t change. I am nice to every one and have always gotten along with everyone.
this isn’t about religion. If I were to immigrate to Mexico, believe me…I’d have to learn Spanish…and since when did God reveal to anybody that Spanish is His Sacred Language? Catholics speak almost every language…and historically, there is this feeling that God’s language was Latin.
…and nobody speaks THAT anymore, except liturgically.Get over yourself. Whether you LIKE it that we won the Mexican American War or not, we did. Just as the Spanish conquered most of South and Central America. The US national boundaries are what they are, and Hispanics from the south of us do. not. have. the. right. to. invade. our. nation. and. break. our. laws. just because they want to.
Of course. I actually did take Spanish. Of course, I speak Old and Middle English better, but…if I ever decide to immigrate to Mexico, Spain or any other nation in which Spanish is the ‘official’ (or ‘semi-official’) language, be certain that I will learn to speak it.
this isn’t about religion. If I were to immigrate to Mexico, believe me…I’d have to learn Spanish…and since when did God reveal to anybody that Spanish is His Sacred Language? Catholics speak almost every language…and historically, there is this feeling that God’s language was Latin.
Get over yourself. Whether you LIKE it that we won the Mexican American War or not, we did. Just as the Spanish conquered most of South and Central America. The US national boundaries are what they are, and Hispanics from the south of us do. not. have. the. right. to. invade. our. nation. and. break. our. laws. just because they want to.
Funny…I haven’t seen ANY of you object to the Mexican immigration laws.
Of course. I actually did take Spanish. Of course, I speak Old and Middle English better, but…if I ever decide to immigrate to Mexico, Spain or any other nation in which Spanish is the ‘official’ (or ‘semi-official’) language, be certain that I will learn to speak it.
You DO realize that you are actually telling us that since Hispanics are invading (that IS what you call it when a group of people crosses national borders against the will of the target nation for the purpose of living there…even when, or especially when, they break the laws of that new nation by doing so) us, and you have the incredible chutspah to tell us that WE have to learn YOUR language, accede to YOUR customs, and hand over all the entitlements that WE count on…and that this little matter of y’all BREAKING OUR LAWS shouldn’t be a problem?
EXCUSE ME???
(disclaimer…the ‘y’all’ is general. I have no idea whether you are an illegal alien or not, but it is to them I address my points.)
To bring it back, sorta, to the topic of the forum and the thread, don’t you think it’s a little presumptuous for the Catholics to make a nation…which has more non-Catholics than Catholics in it, solve the problems that the church should be solving in the areas where the suffering people actually live?
It would be better if the Catholics here who scream ‘social justice’ in terms of illegal aliens, and and read it’s own catechism regarding it…there is NOTHING in there about it being ok to invade a neighboring nation in order to steal their jobs, homes and culture.
:ehh: It had to happen sometime, gurney. After all, I’ll bet we also agree that the sky is blue quite frequently, grass is green (usually…when we can water it enough), that we should love our spouses, raise our children well and honor our promises; that Jesus is Lord, that heaven is a good thing and that hell is something to be avoided.
:ehh: It had to happen sometime, gurney. After all, I’ll bet we also agree that the sky is blue quite frequently, grass is green (usually…when we can water it enough), that we should love our spouses, raise our children well and honor our promises; that Jesus is Lord, that heaven is a good thing and that hell is something to be avoided.
…and that politically conservative Catholics have a lot in common with politically conservative Mormons.
That’s nice. I do neither.
King David must’ve been one miserable dude in that estrogen castle!That’s nice. I do neither.
(sigh…)
Probably you would. Because you would be surrounded by Spanish-speakers.
Perpaucas vere occasiones habeo linguam nobilissimam Latinam loquere, et barbarus essem in oculis hominis temporis “Renascentiae,” ne dicam in oculis antiqui Romani. Non tamen omnino incapax sum locutionis in hac lingua.
But this gives you no claim in justice to insist that the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of those lands speak English.
Indeed. Human conventions maintained by coercive force.
Interesting. What is the difference between their “invasion” and the U.S. invasion of their lands in the 19th century? I can think of four differences:
I do not live in Mexico, and I have not heard of the vast hordes of needy people who are being harmed by these laws. However, I have no problem believing that the Mexican laws may well be unjust. It just doesn’t directly affect me.
I’m a legal alien, actually. And I don’t speak Spanish. My ancestral language (on my father’s side) is Norn, but no one has spoken that (as opposed to Norn-flavored Scots) for a couple centuries, I believe.
Oh yes. Christianity is very presumptuous. Perhaps that is why you prefer a heretical perversion of Christianity which worships white American identity in an idolatrous fashion. Much less presumptuous. (Actually Mormons were considered very presumptuous originally–the main thing I like about you guys
)If you are in desperate need, then yes, such an “invasion” (if nonviolent) is legitimate.
Of what people? Clearly there are a lot of folks in this country who are not represented by the government, and yet this is used to argue that they, not it, are illegitimate. Yet this country was founded by people who had no better right to be there (they invaded the lands of others, after all), and yet made all sorts of claims about their “rights.”
I suppose it’s too much to hope that you might consider whether that’s a good thing? After all, there are good reasons why Mormons would take an idolatrous view of ethnic identity.
As illegal aliens crossing the border into the USA find themselves surrounded by English speakers…or they would if they weren’t invading en masse…
Didn’t get quite all of that…(only had a year of Latin, and don’t actually use it…) but from what I can barely decipher…yes, Latin was the prefered and universal language for early church leaders and the nobles, because it was a language (BECAUSE of the church, actually) that bridged all other languages. The 'lingua universalis"…trade speak, diplo-speak.
Boy, is that a straw man. I have NEVER insisted that Spanish speaking inhabitants “of those lands” speak English. They may speak whatever language they wish in their own countries. They may speak any language they wish in OURS…but they have no right to insist that we alter our culture, signs, schools and documents to put their languages in preference to English, especially when English IS turning out to be the global language.
It’s who humans are. Unless of course you believe that your front door should be unlocked, and that any stranger has every right to enter it, get your food out of the fridge, eat it, and leave? Perhaps sleep in your bed, swim in your pool, use all your shampoo, order pay-per-view sports events on your TV set and leave his laundry for you to wash?
We won.
No it doesn’t. LEGAL immigration does. People who enter through the door with the welcome mat do. Nobody here illegally helps us. A bloodless invasion is still an invasion. The stranger who enters your home without your permission or invitation is still stealing from you, even if he never lays a hand on you.
Of course not. Those on the side of the illegals want their actions rewarded by making them legal…thus rewarding them for jumping the queue, and making it HARDER for those who are actually attempting to obey the rules to do so.
Both. My personal opinion is this: they managed to GET here. That means they can leave. They MUST leave. Once they are out of the country, then I think we should have a system where those who have been here for a specific length of time, or have children born here, can apply for legal residency and have that granted quickly so that they can return and be legal. Perhaps even within days.
It certainly points up the hypocrisy of Mexican nationals who decry OUR laws.
Well, you ‘like us’ for something we aren’t, then. (shrug) but you think as you wish.I’m a legal alien, actually. And I don’t speak Spanish. My ancestral language (on my father’s side) is Norn, but no one has spoken that (as opposed to Norn-flavored Scots) for a couple centuries, I believe.
Oh yes. Christianity is very presumptuous. Perhaps that is why you prefer a heretical perversion of Christianity which worships white American identity in an idolatrous fashion. Much less presumptuous. (Actually Mormons were considered very presumptuous originally–the main thing I like about you guys
And it is JUST as legitimate for those being invaded to a: not like it and b: stop it.
WE should insist that those who are here illegally should leave, and come back in a manner that shows that they actually respect our laws and the country they want to make their home.