Catholic church the only right one

[heedthewarning7]

umm… it was hah… i even stated a post after that I don’t agree with it I was just wondering what people thought of it…

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

LOL. now that will never do. The Roman church has NEVER changed, so they say. Course just about everyone else begs to differ.

Oh look, two Catholic bashers with very few posts. Did you get bored at your regular forum and decide to come here?

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[heedthewarning7]

Oh look, two Catholic bashers. Did you get bored at your regular forum and decide to come here?

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

Since when did questioning something automatically make you a basher…?

 

[heedthewarning7]

Isn’t questioning one’s beliefs critical for development?

Prodigal Son1, I’m really interested in what you think

 

[tGette]

I would have to say that the comment was not necessarily anti-Catholic…he was just stating his opinion. Brash remarks are to be expected from people at times. Though, we probably could all be a little more civil.

I only appreciate it because it puts the question into a believers mind immediately. Or maybe I am defending him because I have been guilty of the same thing? LoL!

However…this conversation might be better reserved for a new thread!

BTW…the Catholic Church is not the same…it is bigger!

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

The EO claim that it was the RCC that broke away, and that IT is the original church.

Btw, it was 1054, at least if you’re referring to The great Schism…

That was a wise word to use in your statement what the EO Claim.

Claiming is different from what is. The reason for the schism is Pride in men. There can only be one Catholic church built upon Peter, and that is headed by Peter’s successor himself, the present day Pope who is the bishop of Rome. Not because EO disagree with this authority, but because Orthodox Catholics believe Jesus words in sacred scripture/sacred Tradition.

The following are Jesus words that has held true for 2000 years
Mathew 16:18
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
19
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

 

[wisdomseeker]

wait I’m confused… you guys can’t honestly tell me that the Catholic Church today is the same machine that is was 500 years ago, let alone 2000! It would be blissful ignorance to believe that.

Machine???

is this in the Bible? is it what Jesus said,“I will build my machine.”

if you mean Church, then yes she is the same yesterday, today and forever according to Jesus. you do believe what He said dont you? it is not what any man says, is what Jesus says that counts.

you gotta a lot of homework to do. start now.

 

[khutcheson]

What if we all took a step back and looked at it as if none of our versions of Christianity today are correct. We as humans are rotten and sinful and I believe part of the beauty in Christ dying on the cross is that nothing we do can possible compensate for our wrong doings. Why can’t we all look at it as if we are stuck in the thing called humanity together and arguing about which sect or “version” of christianity is more correct is a waste of the short time we have on earth. No one today was alive 2000 years ago so, regardless of what scripture we have, we have a distorted view of what happened. We could argue until the end of time about “who is more right”, but what really matters is truly loving God and other people no matter what they believe and not expecting any type or reward in return. You don’t “earn” salvation, none of us deserve or are entitled to salvation, if a person believes they deserve it more than someone else they are wrong. If Christ were here today he wouldn’t be so concerned with which denomination is correct, he would be out helping people, loving people, spending time drinking wine and eating dinner with his friends and people who “society” looks down upon, and loving his father, God.

AMEN

Anybody but me think the original post was just a troll to start a(nother) fight between Catholics and Protestants?

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

So now that i have a great understanding of christianity and everything in that nature, i would totally agree with Catholism being the only church that has authority to be established. All of these other churches are just idiotic. All your shoot offs just broke away because they wanted to focus on a specific doctrine. For example, the baptists focus everything on being baptized and that was the reason for the breakaway.

Another reason was due to the corruption or sins of catholic leaders. Thats the main reason Lutherans broke away. So it’s just a matter of the Catholic church teaching and practicing correct principles, it doesn’t give people authority to establish their own churches. Its just a matter of knocking sense into the catholic leaders. The Catholics are closer to true doctrine then any other church i have seen.

What great news, the Holy spirit reveals truth to a soul, so that God may be glorified, and everyknee bow before the Lord Jesus in heaven and on earth, and heaven rejoices for that one that comes back to God.

I pray the enemy of division does not come here to distort this good news of God’s glory, in the form of changing the subject at hand, or trying desperate to divide the One holy Catholic apostolic Church, as the father of lies tries to do to the body of Jesus Christ but to no avail, nothing can seperate us from the love of God, neither in this age, or future, not even death can seperate us from God who loves us.

Peace.

 

[tGette]

What great news, the Holy spirit reveals truth to a soul, so that God may be glorified, and everyknee bow before the Lord Jesus in heaven and on earth, and heaven rejoices for that one that comes back to God.

I pray the enemy of division does not come here to distort this good news of God’s glory, in the form of changing the subject at hand, or trying desperate to divide the One holy Catholic apostolic Church, as the father of lies tries to do to the body of Jesus Christ but to no avail, nothing can seperate us from the love of God, neither in this age, or future, not even death can seperate us from God who loves us.

Peace.

AMEN! AMEN!

 

[Jash]

So now that i have a great understanding of christianity and everything in that nature, i would totally agree with Catholism being the only church that has authority to be established.

Excepting perhaps the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But here comes that authority/apostasy debate again.

So it’s just a matter of the Catholic church teaching and practicing correct principles…

Don’t forget the ordinances! Baptism by immersion for one. At what point in time was that changed anyway?

…it doesn’t give people authority to establish their own churches.

Agreed. That authority only comes from God and since he only has one church…

 

[RebeccaJ]

Don’t forget the ordinances! Baptism by immersion for one. At what point in time was that changed anyway?

Hey jash, you don’t do it the way the early Christians did…there were female deacons then, because they baptized everyone as they came into the world…no clothes.

So, when are mormons going to start up that practice again?

And what, exactly, is wrong with giving your children the very best start in life you could possibly give them? Which, btw, the Eastern Churches baptize their little ones just as they came into the world (and by immersion). Maybe you should check them out?

Agreed. That authority only comes from God and since he only has one church…

I agree, and if there were no catholic (little c) Church, ie Christ never came into the world, I’d be looking at Judaism.

 

[RebeccaJ]

So now that i have a great understanding of christianity and everything in that nature,

What happened to your (http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4043492&postcount=81) of doctrines that the Catholic Church has gotten wrong?

Stop messing around.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I’m this guy too.

Yes, I know, or at least suspected. Are you also jbrdu08?

adios amigo, I think it highly likely we’ll be seeing your name in blue soon

 

[Jash]

Hey jash, you don’t do it the way the early Christians did…there were female deacons then, because they baptized everyone as they came into the world…no clothes.

So, when are mormons going to start up that practice again?

Ha Ha Funny. But really. When did the ordinance change from immersion to sprinkling? And why?

And what, exactly, is wrong with giving your children the very best start in life you could possibly give them?

Nothing. Every child deserves the very best chance they can get. I am not questioning raising children in the way of god. I am only questioning the mode of baptism. Had I intended to question age I would have included it.

I agree, and if there were no catholic (little c) Church, ie Christ never came into the world, I’d be looking at Judaism.

That good. Because Judaism was Christs church before he came.

 

[Jash]

Hey jash, you don’t do it the way the early Christians did…there were female deacons then, because they baptized everyone as they came into the world…no clothes.

So, when are mormons going to start up that practice again?

Ha Ha Funny. But really. When did the ordinance change from immersion to sprinkling? And why?

And what, exactly, is wrong with giving your children the very best start in life you could possibly give them?

Nothing. Every child deserves the very best chance they can get. I am not questioning raising children in the way of god. I am only questioning the mode of baptism. Had I intended to question age I would have included it.

I agree, and if there were no catholic (little c) Church, ie Christ never came into the world, I’d be looking at Judaism.

Me too! Since Judaism was Christs church before he came.

 

[RebeccaJ]

hey tsuzuki before you go, were these shenanigans the Mormon tsuzuki or the Catholic tsuzuki…I think it is important for whyme to know from you, cuz he’s fond of telling us that Mormons don’t do these sort of things…only evil Catholics do…so obviously it must be the Catholic tsuzuki?

 

[RebeccaJ]

Ha Ha Funny. But really. When did the ordinance change from immersion to sprinkling? And why?

The earliest Christians were using immersion and pouring. I have never been to a baptism where it was done by sprinkling so I wonder if Mormons call pouring sprinkling? Anyway, there are instances where a person wants to be baptized and cannot be immersed. Health, death bed, huge groups of people to be baptized in a short time (persecutions and all, they had to keep baptisms secret, or die).

Honestly, I don’t know why Mormons believe it has to be done by immersion.

And it’s true, there were women in the diaconate for the purpose of baptizing other women, because they did indeed baptize in sans clothing.

 

[RC_Matt]

AMEN

Anybody but me think the original post was just a troll to start a(nother) fight between Catholics and Protestants?

Nah, just sarcasm.

 

[Jash]

I have never been to a baptism where it was done by sprinkling so I wonder if Mormons call pouring sprinkling?

No. This is not another word we have redefined. I am merely speaking from my understanding. I trust you to have a better understanding of the details than I do.

Honestly, I don’t know why Mormons believe it has to be done by immersion.

We believe the following Biblical references to point to immersion:
Matt. 3: 16 “…when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water.”
Mark 1: 5 “…baptized of him in the river.”
Mark 1: 10 “…coming up out of the water.”
John 3: 23 “…baptizing . . . because there was much water” there."
Acts 8: 38 “…went down both into the water.”
Rom. 6: 4 “…buried with him by baptism.”
Col. 2: 12 “Buried with him in baptism.”
Combine these with References in the BoM, and Revelations in D&C this point is very clear (to us.)

And it’s true, there were women in the diaconate for the purpose of baptizing other women, because they did indeed baptize in sans clothing.

K. (Just checked “diaconate” under wikipedia.)