Catholic Clergy and Their Puzzling Support for Liberal Parties and Candidates

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Richardols:
You think that shoplifting leads to burglary leads to robbery leads to murder?

Rehabilitation is part of the reason we send people to jail - though it doesn’t always work. Overly severe punishments do no good.
I’m not asking for OVERLY severe punishments. I’m asking for adequate punishements.

Rudy Giuliani proved your first statement. In being tough on minor crimes, it was much easier to locate and identify serious criminals. He statistically proved that one lead to the other, in particular if they are allowed to get away with it.
 
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Brad:
I’m not asking for OVERLY severe punishments. I’m asking for adequate punishements.
Okay. But, getting everyone to agree on what constitutes an adequate punishment is where the difficulties arise.
 
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Richardols:
Okay. But, getting everyone to agree on what constitutes an adequate punishment is where the difficulties arise.
Certainly. Anything of worthwile accomplishment is often difficult. But the work needs to be done.
 
Most of the current Catholic clergy in the US is Democrat - if they are political at all - and will go to their graves that way.

Now, as for tax cuts - income tax cuts help grow the economy, create more jobs and generate more tax revenue. It’s just too bad that so many can’t understand that.

The bankruptcy laws were amended because people were running up credit card debt and then doing what they could to not pay it off. Do some inocent people get hurt by the new tougher law? Yes. Was the old law fair to those who paid their bills and had to absorb the costs of those who did not pay? No.

As for the Democrats being for stable retirements and affordable health care - that is a load of BS. The Social Security System is a Ponzi scheme. Any privately managed pension fund who does what the Congress does with Social Security would be put in jail wiht Bernie Ebbers.
Bill Clinton vetoed portable pensions. Health care costs escalate because diseases that could be prevented are becoming more expensive to treat. Add to that the cost of prescription drugs and an aging population and this drives health care costs up.

I am not saying the GOP has all the answers. Their pork barrel spending has disgusted me. The GOP controlled legislature in Pennsylvania just voted themselves a huge pay increase after raising our taxes last year. Ohio GOP Governor Bob Taft has raised taxes and has been charged with corruption.

Neither party is perfect, and neither party will ever completely reflect Catholic teaching. Rather than offer blanket support for one party or the other - and we are stuck with two political parties whose primary goal is to get re-elected - Catholics should work to do what they can without any assistance or (name removed by moderator)ut from the government to help the poor and the elderly and push the government to protect the rights and security of all its citizens.

If we Catholics would all live out our faith we could convert the whole country. We need to stop expecting politicians to solve our problems. They can’t.
 
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JW10631:
The bankruptcy laws were amended because people were running up credit card debt and then doing what they could to not pay it off.
More like they were amended because of intense pressure by banks and credit card companies on Republican legislators.
Do some inocent people get hurt by the new tougher law? Yes.
Ah, yes. Brush it off. Except that most of those innocent people were those who can’t get from under their tremendous medical bills now, and will be evicted when the banks sue them and take their homes to settle accounts.
Was the old law fair to those who paid their bills and had to absorb the costs of those who did not pay? No.
How was it not fair to them? They didn’t have to absorb the credit card companies’ losses. The credit card companies had to, and given their tremendous profits, it meant that they’d have to settle for lower profits.

And we know that banks and credit card companies should never have to have their profits decreased. (Isn’t charging up to 39% interest on credit cards enough for them?)
 
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JW10631:
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If we Catholics would all live out our faith we could convert the whole country. We need to stop expecting politicians to solve our problems. They can’t.
Partially correct. In living our faith, it would require not avoidance of positions of leadership or encouragement of others in leadership. Leadership of government does matter whether we are disgusted or not.

As you said, we do need to live our faith and convert the country. Again, we run into a roadblock of our very leaders in the priesthood. I say go through the roadblock.
 
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Brad:
Again, we run into a roadblock of our very leaders in the priesthood. I say go through the roadblock.
I hope you’re not suggesting that we pull a Martin Luther as a way of crashing through any roadblock.
 
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Richardols:
I hope you’re not suggesting that we pull a Martin Luther as a way of crashing through any roadblock.
No. I was thinking more of a St. Bridget, St. Thomas Moore, St. Paul etc. sort of way.

I would never try to make the Church in my image. Just the opposite. Proclaim the truth in season and out of season. And this is out of season. Which is why we need men “for all seasons”.
 
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Richardols:
How was it not fair to them? They didn’t have to absorb the credit card companies’ losses. The credit card companies had to, and given their tremendous profits, it meant that they’d have to settle for lower profits.

And we know that banks and credit card companies should never have to have their profits decreased. (Isn’t charging up to 39% interest on credit cards enough for them?)
Use some common sense here Richardols: consumers absorb bankruptcy losses and fraud losses because prices and fees go up. Do you think these companies are just going to eat the losses?? Come back to reality and take a deep breath. You and I—the honest consumers who pay our bills and live within our means—pay higher prices because companies are defrauded and because of excessive bankruptcies. It’s called hidden inflation. It’s also called basic economics.
 
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barnestormer:
Use some common sense here Richardols: consumers absorb bankruptcy losses and fraud losses because prices and fees go up.
How do prices go up when a credit card company makes less profit than they would have liked?
Do you think these companies are just going to eat the losses??
They’re not taking losses. They are making less profits.
You and I—the honest consumers who pay our bills and live within our means—pay higher prices because companies are defrauded and because of excessive bankruptcies.
They are not taking losses. They are making less profits.

And the law doesn’t simply affect delinquent credit card holders. It causes grievous injury to those poor and middle class who cannot get from under their tremendous medical debts. The law did not differentiate between credit card debt and catastrophic medical debts.
 
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Richardols:
How do prices go up when a credit card company makes less profit than they would have liked?
It’s called passing on cost increases to consumers. If banks can get away with charging more to offset cost increases then they will, and they have, and they do. From balloon payments to hidden fees, to higher interest rates, to rent-to-own contracts, to pay later and on and on.

Because our society is materialistic, many fall for predatory and semi-predatory lending schemes on a regular basis.

Because most in society are debt-ridden, the banks have the upper edge until the whole system cracks.
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Richardols:
They’re not taking losses. They are making less profits.
They are not making less profits. See above.
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Richardols:
And the law doesn’t simply affect delinquent credit card holders. It causes grievous injury to those poor and middle class who cannot get from under their tremendous medical debts. The law did not differentiate between credit card debt and catastrophic medical debts.
The discipline either occurs or the system crashes. It is best for all. Very few are in a position to follow their own budget let alone pay for someone else’s debts.
 
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Brad:
It’s called passing on cost increases to consumers. If banks can get away with charging more to offset cost increases then they will, and they have, and they do. From balloon payments to hidden fees, to higher interest rates, to rent-to-own contracts, to pay later and on and on.
I’m supposed to feel sorry for banks because of their unabashed greed?
Because our society is materialistic, many fall for predatory and semi-predatory lending schemes on a regular basis.
Banks and credit card companies are indeed predatory, especially towards the poor.
Because most in society are debt-ridden, the banks have the upper edge
And they insist on maintaining that upper edge no matter what it takes.
They are not making less profits.
Which credit card companies are operating in the red?
 
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Richardols:
I’m supposed to feel sorry for banks because of their unabashed greed?
Nope. You are supposed to feel sorry for those affected by their greed - working families.
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Richardols:
Banks and credit card companies are indeed predatory, especially towards the poor.
Actually towards all income classes. They are equal opportunity for-profit companies. Not all banks are bad but many are.
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Richardols:
Which credit card companies are operating in the red?
They aren’t. They are making the same profits by passing on costs to customers. Therefore, less people that do not pay their debts, better for society.
 
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Brad:
Nope. You are supposed to feel sorry for those affected by their greed - working families.
And I am. The greed of banks is unlimited. Bank of America charges pay-by-phone customers $15 per transaction, and $5 per transaction even using the Internet. Pure greed.
Actually towards all income classes. They are equal opportunity for-profit companies.
Equal opportunity to swindle is more like it. I’ve gotten offers in the mail for credit cards with a 29% opening rate plus a $175 per-annum fee, a $59 New Account fee and a $7.50 per month maintenance fee. I can laugh at such, but the poor get sucked in. I don’t think there’s a level in Hell deep enough to provide what bankers deserve.
Not all banks are bad but many are.
Sure, somewhere there must be an honest bank.
 
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