Catholic colleges anticipate stern words from pope

[NewUlm1976_2000]

This is not a matter of Academic freedom. No one is suggesting firing a teacher who metions their opinion on homosexual behavior or abortion. The problem is with the college allowing such things as a gay lesbian alliance or allowing planned parenthood acess to the campus or allwoing the performance of the Vagina Monologues or given out conatraceptives at the school clinic and or refering students for abortions.

Each of those examples you mentioned do have their time and place. All schools have their GLBT community which needs to be allowed to break down stereotypes and not add stereotypical walls for the future. Planned Parenthood offers more family planning options and teachings, some of which (not all of it) are useful for students (safe sex, etc…). Even the VM is an eye opening experience which has its place for students.

Remember, just because something is offered on campus does not mean every student partakes in it. These are options, they are not mandatory, but activities the student body chooses to take part in or not take part in.

 

[OHCA_XP]

No, you can still find many sheltered high school students who do not experience much until they leave their parents house and start exploring the real world.

The Catholic Church and all Catholic Universities and College exist in the real world, not a fictional utopia. Many schools have 30%+ of non-Catholics attending and need to provide the best experiences to the student body so they are not scared of the real world after they graduate if they are too sheltered even at a Catholic University or College.

But precisely which experiences they are exposed to should be handled with prudence and responsibility. I don’t care how real the world is, the idea of being Catholic isn’t how to live in the real world, it’s how to make it through the real world and make it into God’s loving embrace in heaven. The point of a Catholic education shouldn’t be “This is what the world has to offer.” Instead it should be “This is the world we live in. God told us to be stewards of this world as we journey through it. This is how.”

 

[donmaximuso27]

Each of those examples you mentioned do have their time and place. All schools have their GLBT community which needs to be allowed to break down stereotypes and not add stereotypical walls for the future. Planned Parenthood offers more family planning options and teachings, some of which (not all of it) are useful for students (safe sex, etc…). Even the VM is an eye opening experience which has its place for students.

Remember, just because something is offered on campus does not mean every student partakes in it. These are options, they are not mandatory, but activities the student body chooses to take part in or not take part in.

True, but anything that is offered on campus must be sponsered by the school. And a Catholic school simply cannot sponsor such groups or events. It is a heresy that pro-sin groups are sponsored by Catholic, *Catholic *universities.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

So exposing them to deviant sexual behavior and promiscouity is needed to prepare them for the “real” world?

It happens at all colleges no matter what. Education and other outlets to help them understand what is happening. Sex happens on college campuses, always has, always will. If you are only set up to deal with a narrow utopian vision, you do not have a complete toolset to deal with the real world.

 

[OHCA_XP]

Each of those examples you mentioned do have their time and place. All schools have their GLBT community which needs to be allowed to break down stereotypes and not add stereotypical walls for the future. Planned Parenthood offers more family planning options and teachings, some of which (not all of it) are useful for students (safe sex, etc…). Even the VM is an eye opening experience which has its place for students.

Remember, just because something is offered on campus does not mean every student partakes in it. These are options, they are not mandatory, but activities the student body chooses to take part in or not take part in.

Should a Catholic campus offer pamphlets of clinics that provide abortions? Just because not every student partakes, because the school gives them that option, it’s almost as if the school advocates those options.

 

[donmaximuso27]

It happens at all colleges no matter what. Education and other outlets to help them understand what is happening. Sex happens on college campuses, always has, always will. If you are only set up to deal with a narrow utopian vision, you do not have a complete toolset to deal with the real world.

The only toolset you need is the guidance of Holy Scripture and Christ’s one, true Church. Christ showed his apostles how to heal, no how to inflict injury; how to forgive sin, not how to create sin; how to teach the truth, not how to experience or teach anything that is untrue.

 

[OHCA_XP]

It happens at all colleges no matter what. Education and other outlets to help them understand what is happening. Sex happens on college campuses, always has, always will. If you are only set up to deal with a narrow utopian vision, you do not have a complete toolset to deal with the real world.

Sex happens, that’s very true. But Catholic campuses should be careful to provide reasons and not excuses to these sinful behaviors. For example, say a Catholic college distributed condoms or had them available on their campus because of a rise in STDs and unplanned pregnancies, would that equip them for the real world better because that’s what the rest of the world is doing? Or is that attempting to circumvent the consequences of their actions, passively accepting their choices, thereby approving their conduct?

 

[OHCA_XP]

donmaximuso27;3487764:

When speaking of faith and morals, we are sure of what is true and what is not.

I’ve been around for 76 years and I’m still seeking the truth. I thought that was what life was all about.
You are certainly very fortunate to have found it at such an early age. Congratulations!!!

Pilate asked Jesus “What is truth?” even while Truth personified was staring him square in the face. If you’ve been searching for
76 years, and still haven’t found Him, you’re missing out. He’s calling your name Bob, just like He calls all of ours. At the very least, the VERY LEAST, that you can be certain of is that God exists, and none of us are Him.

 

[Conservative]

Each of those examples you mentioned do have their time and place. All schools have their GLBT community which needs to be allowed to break down stereotypes and not add stereotypical walls for the future. Planned Parenthood offers more family planning options and teachings, some of which (not all of it) are useful for students (safe sex, etc…). Even the VM is an eye opening experience which has its place for students.

Remember, just because something is offered on campus does not mean every student partakes in it. These are options, they are not mandatory, but activities the student body chooses to take part in or not take part in.

And in the spirit of your post, I take a line from the Bible and say “by their fruits you shall know them”:

1. Are you aware what Planned Parenthood would be fostering as “safe sex”? Listen to the term. Do they follow Catholic (or even Christian) idealogy?
2. Do you believe that a vulnerable teen student who finds “options” offered on a Catholic college campus will be wary of or able to discern them - or will they trust in whatever “options” are offered simply by reason of the fact that they’ve found it on their Catholic College campus?
3. Do you believe that “options” are offered in secular colleges - in reverse (i.e. SOLID Catholic religious education, fostering safe Christian activities) - or will those secular colleges declare they cannot be bound by any religious affiliations.

A Catholic College should teach / give example in the Catholic way and can do so without stifling the student. Offering “options” goes in opposition to Church teaching - avoid near occasion of sin. If, sadly, the student chooses options which are detrimental, those options should not have been put in their path/allowed on any grounds labeled “Catholic”. The world will offer way too many “options” that can drag us down - Catholic college students should be educated in such a way to be knowledgable about how to be ‘in the world but not of it’ and how to exercise their God-given free will - without offending God.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

The only toolset you need is the guidance of Holy Scripture and Christ’s one, true Church. Christ showed his apostles how to heal, no how to inflict injury; how to forgive sin, not how to create sin; how to teach the truth, not how to experience or teach anything that is untrue.

That is extremely vague. The Church is a very diverse place with many diverse opinions, which the Catholic colleges and universities mirror.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

Sex happens, that’s very true. But Catholic campuses should be careful to provide reasons and not excuses to these sinful behaviors. For example, say a Catholic college distributed condoms or had them available on their campus because of a rise in STDs and unplanned pregnancies, would that equip them for the real world better because that’s what the rest of the world is doing? Or is that attempting to circumvent the consequences of their actions, passively accepting their choices, thereby approving their conduct?

College is a time of growing maturity. Using condoms to prevent unplanned pregnancies and STDs is a way to not make one night of poor judgment into an entire life.

 

[OHCA_XP]

That is extremely vague. The Church is a very diverse place with many diverse opinions, which the Catholic colleges and universities mirror.

But God is not an opinion, and The Church doesn’t just teach opinions.

 

[OHCA_XP]

College is a time of growing maturity. Using condoms to prevent unplanned pregnancies and STDs is a way to not make one night of poor judgment into an entire life.

I see, so blatant disregard for the moral teachings of the Church is permissible in order to grow in maturity…

The use of condoms can be compared to treating symptoms of various terminal illnesses. There is no actual healing involved. You’re continuing to slowly die, but more comfortably. That is the state of a person’s soul who resides themself in removing the physical consequences from their sinful actions. That’s not a sign of maturity. It’s a sin of immaturity.

 

[donmaximuso27]

That is extremely vague. The Church is a very diverse place with many diverse opinions, which the Catholic colleges and universities mirror.

As a lifelong Catholic you have not realized, in matters of faith and morals, that the Catholic Church is a place of infallibe doctrine, guided by the Holy Spirit? The Church has been guided by the Holy Spirit in showing people how to live a life of an imitation of Christ. Is there diversity regrading race, culture, ethnicity, liturgy, music? Sure. But the Church is not diverse in doctrines of faith and morals, that is ridiculous.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

A Catholic College should teach / give example in the Catholic way and can do so without stifling the student. Offering “options” goes in opposition to Church teaching - avoid near occasion of sin. If, sadly, the student chooses options which are detrimental, those options should not have been put in their path/allowed on any grounds labeled “Catholic”. The world will offer way too many “options” that can drag us down - Catholic college students should be educated in such a way to be knowledgable about how to be ‘in the world but not of it’ and how to exercise their God-given free will - without offending God.

Not allowing students to grow in a school environment (the options), ill-equips them for life after school. It is allowing them to be the adults they are and not have colleges set up as a Prep School Part II. Allow them to grow themselves with all the ups and downs that prevails. Also, “Catholic” given the makeup of the Church is a broad definition, reflecting the life the students live in.

 

[donmaximuso27]

Not allowing students to grow in a school environment (the options), ill-equips them for life after school. It is allowing them to be the adults they are and not have colleges set up as a Prep School Part II. Allow them to grow themselves with all the ups and downs that prevails. Also, “Catholic” given the makeup of the Church is a broad definition, reflecting the life the students live in.

A Catholic University should equip them for a Catholic, adult life. They should be equipped with Catholic teaching, many theological schools are thought are perfect for the college level of education. As Catholics, we should all want to grow in a Catholic life, not just some modern, free-spirited nonsense. Why be Catholic if you aren’t going to strive in every aspect of life to be like Christ? We are called to do that. If a Catholic university is truly Catholic, it is called to promote that.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

I see, so blatant disregard for the moral teachings of the Church is permissible in order to grow in maturity…

The use of condoms can be compared to treating symptoms of various terminal illnesses. There is no actual healing involved. You’re continuing to slowly die, but more comfortably. That is the state of a person’s soul who resides themself in removing the physical consequences from their sinful actions. That’s not a sign of maturity. It’s a sin of immaturity.

It is an application to the real world in which we live in and for sexual activities that happen whether we like it or not. Of course college students are immature, but that in itself is not a sin, it is part of being of a younger age. Using birth control saves the students from themselves as they mature and learn the mature applications of sexual relations.

Policies in Catholic Universities and Colleges reflect running a school in the present, not a utopia which does not exist.

 

[OHCA_XP]

Not allowing students to grow in a school environment (the options), ill-equips them for life after school. It is allowing them to be the adults they are and not have colleges set up as a Prep School Part II. Allow them to grow themselves with all the ups and downs that prevails. Also, “Catholic” given the makeup of the Church is a broad definition, reflecting the life the students live in.

“Catholic” isn’t a broad definition given to the Church. It is one of the four marks that clearly defines the Church. We are Catholic, meaning we don’t limit ourselves to a specific culture, but “all nations” as our Lord Christ commanded. And there are various things in the nearly countless cultures in the world that the Church does not accept. If a student of a Catholic college wanted to practice and believe in animal worship, it should not be that school’s position to accept that student’s decision as the same as another student’s decision to become a Catholic.

 

[OHCA_XP]

It is an application to the real world in which we live in and for sexual activities that happen whether we like it or not. Of course college students are immature, but that in itself is not a sin, it is part of being of a younger age. Using birth control saves the students from themselves as they mature and learn the mature applications of sexual relations.

Policies in Catholic Universities and Colleges reflect running a school in the present, not a utopia which does not exist.

That’s a skewed if not opposite view of what the Church teaches. Just because we live in this world doesn’t mean we have to live like the rest of the world. Again, taking away the consequences of sinful actions isn’t saving anybody. Also, it is a sin to have sex outside of marriage, regardless if you’re in middle school, high school, college, or even in the “real world.” I didn’t include elementary because I pray that no elementary student would pursue that type of action. But nevertheless, it is a sin. To knowingly engage in an action which they know the Church teaches as wrong, and also which the law is written in their hearts, is a sin. You can paint the picture however you like, but under the paint, is still the canvas of sin. For a college, especially a Catholic college to teach otherwise, is among the most miserable states where we could arrive. All it serves is to undermine our conscience–our sense of right and wrong.

 

[OHCA_XP]

It is an application to the real world in which we live in and for sexual activities that happen whether we like it or not. Of course college students are immature, but that in itself is not a sin, it is part of being of a younger age. Using birth control saves the students from themselves as they mature and learn the mature applications of sexual relations.

Policies in Catholic Universities and Colleges reflect running a school in the present, not a utopia which does not exist.

Romans 12:1-2
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercy of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing unto God, your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be reformed in the newness of your mind, that you may prove what is the good and the acceptable and the perfect will of God.