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SuperLuigi said:
I haven’t Trump make one racist statement yet. I do not recognize the definition of “racism” as defined by the PC, hypersensitive left.
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You’re welcome to your opinion. But saying a judge can’t oversee his case because he ‘happens to be, we believe, Mexican’ and, of course, would be mad at him because he is going to build a wall is racist.
 
Crossbones said:
The default position for anyone who supports Donald Trump is to be for torture, targeting noncombatants and his racist comments.

That is the position that anyone who supports Donald can be presumed to be supporting.

People know well enough what they will be voting for, and it is of little consequence to them.
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True.

One of the few encouraging things about this awful election cycle has been the number of Republicans who have called Trump out on his deplorably racist comments and racist/bigoted policy proposals. Of course, he has been so blatantly racist they almost have to acknowledge it.
 
GaryTaylor said:
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1-million dead a year plus further contrary positions as stated-ACA -HHS mandate.

Your opinion vs factual reality.
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“1 million dead” is only relevant IF electing Donald Trump has a reasonable probability of substantially altering that. It does not, for reasons that have been adduced on this forum many times.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
“1 million dead” is only relevant IF electing Donald Trump has a reasonable probability of substantially altering that. It does not, for reasons that have been adduced on this forum many times.
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What would change things over night would be if all Catholics who say that they are against abortion would refuse to cast their vote for a party which is openly abortion.
Until the unborn are as important to Cathoics as seals, polar bears, and the lastest cool entitlement that a party has to offer, then this is all we have.
A million lives aren’t all that important to Catholics on the left. That is where the stumbling block to relevance is located.
 
Darryl1958 said:
What would change things over night would be if all Catholics who say that they are against abortion would refuse to cast their vote for a party which is openly abortion.
Until the unborn are as important to Cathoics as seals, polar bears, and the lastest cool entitlement that a party has to offer, then this is all we have.
A million lives aren’t all that important to Catholics on the left. That is where the stumbling block to relevance is located.
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I think you are confusing Canadian issues, like polar bears and seals, with American ones. Unlike Canada, the ‘pro-life’ candidate in America has said he will torture enemy combatants, target noncombatants and has made racist comments. Also, unlike Canada, which can’t really do anything in those first two items, the US can.
 
Crossbones said:
I think you are confusing Canadian issues, like polar bears and seals, with American ones. Unlike Canada, the ‘pro-life’ candidate in America has said he will torture enemy combatants, target noncombatants and has made racist comments. Also, unlike Canada, which can’t really do anything in those first two items, the US can.
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Hilary supports torture of the baby in the womb…or do you not think having your limbs torn off and brains suctioned is torture? And then your remains are treated as medical waste instead of a human being with potential?

Children are the future and are being snuffed out at a rate of ONE MILLION a year. Under Hilary that would get much worse…she supports this torture all nine months.

Yes, Donald has made a lot of horrific comments, but Hilary IMHO has made worse ones…calling people liars and saying Margaret Sanger was a great woman.
 
Exactly which is why the formed conscience is imperative to really understand and I have to insist the Democrat party can’t be qualified, least you find yourself following Hillary and further suppression of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Conscience, and by Socialized Medicine-HHS. Its anything but Christian imho.
U.S. Bishops’ Documents
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At this particular time, abortion has become the fundamental human rights issue for all men and women of good will. … For us abortion is of overriding concern because it negates two of our most fundamental moral imperatives: respect for innocent life, and preferential concern for the weak and defenseless.
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Resolution on Abortion (1989)
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Among important issues involving the dignity of human life with which the Church is concerned, abortion necessarily plays a central role. Abortion, the direct killing of an innocent human being, is always gravely immoral (The Gospel of Life, no. 57); its victims are the most vulnerable and defenseless members of the human family. It is imperative that those who are called to serve the least among us give urgent attention and priority to this issue of justice.
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Pastoral Plan for Pro-Life Activities: A Campaign in Support of Life (2001), Introduction
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[A]bortion and euthanasia have become preeminent threats to human dignity because they directly attack life itself, the most fundamental human good and the condition for all others.
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“At this particular time, abortion has become the fundamental human rights issue for all men and women of good will” and Hillary has become the “preeminent threat” and as we see she has already distinguished herself.

Formed conscience reading…

usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/on-the-importance-and-priority-of-defending-innocent-human-life.cfm
 
GaryTaylor said:
“At this particular time, abortion has become the fundamental human rights issue for all men and women of good will” and Hillary has become the “preeminent threat”
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It seems to me that the real preeminent threat via abortion is the mothers who decide to murder their babies, or those around them who pressure them into doing it. Why don’t you direct your anger toward the primary guilty parties?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It seems to me that the real preeminent threat via abortion is the mothers who decide to murder their babies, or those around them who pressure them into doing it. Why don’t you direct your anger toward the primary guilty parties?
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Angry, why of course not, concerned, and someone has to speak for the little children of the world and ask the grown-ups when they will stop killing them. Hillary the ringmaster of the circus encourages the whole train and entire concatenation of misery. “preeminent threat”-Hillary.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
“1 million dead” is only relevant IF electing Donald Trump has a reasonable probability of substantially altering that. It does not, for reasons that have been adduced on this forum many times.
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Also noted on this forum were the significant pro-life steps taken by GWB as president. The RvW ruling may not be totally wiped from the books but it certainly can be weakened. That is not going to happen under Hillary.
 
mary_bobo said:
Also noted on this forum were the significant pro-life steps taken by GWB as president. The RvW ruling may not be totally wiped from the books but it certainly can be weakened. That is not going to happen under Hillary.
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Is it going to happen with Trump? I really doubt his prolife stance, especially when he praises planned parenthood.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
“1 million dead” is only relevant IF electing Donald Trump has a reasonable probability of substantially altering that. It does not, for reasons that have been adduced on this forum many times.
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It does appear that even a Catholic voter can come to such a conclusion as they weigh and consider issues along with Trump’s character as well as what they think he will be able to do. And then make their individual choice to vote for or to not to vote for him.

Catholic Bishop Kicanas: “As a disciple, as a citizen, you have to weigh issues, you have to consider the character of candidates, what you think they will be able to do in terms of affecting the society and the culture in which we live.”

The bishop goes on to say, “You don’t believe in Christ and then vote for a person simply, or primarily, because they hold a position that’s contrary to the church. You have to take those positions into consideration, and then make a choice. These are never easy choices.”

priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/kicanas-synod.htm
  1. In this statement, we bishops do not intend to tell Catholics for whom or against whom to vote. Our purpose is to help Catholics form their consciences in accordance with God’s truth. We recognize that the responsibility to make choices in political life rests with each individual in light of a properly formed conscience, and that participation goes well beyond casting a vote in a particular election.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one.cfm

Peace
 
GaryTaylor said:
Angry, why of course not, concerned, and someone has to speak for the little children of the world and ask the grown-ups when they will stop killing them. Hillary the ringmaster of the circus encourages the whole train and entire concatenation of misery. “preeminent threat”-Hillary.
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I don’t see how you claim Hillary as more guilty than the mothers who make the ultimate decision to kill their babies. Hillary is not twisting there arms to make them do it. The mothers (and their friends who pressure them, and the doctors who perform the operations) are the real guilty parties.
 
I don’t see how the women are more guilty. Thats like saying the heroin user is more guilty than the dealer as you say…“not twisting there arms to make them do it.”
 
GaryTaylor said:
I don’t see how the women are more guilty. Thats like saying the heroin user is more guilty than the dealer as you say…“not twisting there arms to make them do it.”
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Or blaming the guy who murdered a bunch of little kids instead of the gun manufacturer or dealer.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Constitution 2nd amendment issue. You have the right to protect life. Elementary really.
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The 2nd amendment has no moral authority that you should appeal to it to answer a moral question, like who is morally culpable for an evil. And yes, you have the right to protect life, but that does not address the issue of who is morally culpable for the mass murder’s murders. Crossbones is right. If you are going to blame Hillary as an enabler of abortion, you have to blame the gun dealers and manufacturers as enablers of mass shootings.

I also disagree with your heroin analogy. Heroin is addictive, and the addicts are less culpable for their actions after they are addicted. Abortion is not addictive. The one who decides to do it is fully responsible for their actions.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The 2nd amendment has no moral authority that you should appeal to it to answer a moral question, like who is morally culpable for an evil. And yes, you have the right to protect life, but that does not address the issue of who is morally culpable for the mass murder’s murders. Crossbones is right. If you are going to blame Hillary as an enabler of abortion, you have to blame the gun dealers and manufacturers as enablers of mass shootings.
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And those politicians that enable people to get the guns to murder. Clearly, they are also personally responsible.
 
Yes they like Hillary are responsible for promoting intrinsic evil. A gun has nothing to do with anything. Neither of you have a point, try not to get too excited over your own confusion.
 
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