Catholic.com presidential poll

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John_Savage said:
By the way, to me Rubio was a near perfect candidate.
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I myself was never a Rubio supporter for a variety of reasons. Everyone has a right to choose who they want, but I am just curious, what about him makes you feel he was a perfect candidate?
 
Ridgerunner said:
There is a lot of truth to that. However, one needs to also realize that leadership sometimes is the driver, not the follower, of that paganism. Think 20 years ago, or even ten. Who would have supposed then that the Little Sisters of the Poor would be prosecuted by the government for not providing abortifacients to themselves or their workers? Who would have thought homosexual marriage would be imposed on the whole country and that the government would be in the forefront of the cause? Who would have thought the government would file lawsuits against states that act to prevent men from going into womens’ restrooms or dressing rooms?

It’s shameful that so many people allow themselves to be led into the blasé acceptance of evil by political and cultural leaders, but it was probably true back in ancient Rome just as it is now.
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I agree, and I will add that if a large majority were against the things you cited, they would never have happened. The culture (people) has moved toward accepting all those things and much more. We truly are a modern day Rome or perhaps even a Sodom and Gomorrah or perhaps we exceed both those cultures in terms of sin.
 
Convert_in_99 said:
Actually you have!

Pope Francis! :heaven:
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Funny how depending on the context, we are told Pope Francis is not a socialist (when he is being defended from criticism), or that he is (when the person wants support for their beliefs).

Either way, it is unlikely he is a socialist, since he is Catholic. From the catechism:

2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with “communism” or “socialism.” She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of “capitalism,” individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207 Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208 Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.
 
Padres1969 said:
I’m in the same boat. My state is going Clinton for sure (or Sanders if he’s the Democrat). So I’m free to find another candidate to vote for as a protest. Just not sure if there’s any protest candidates worth voting for either.
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Georgia on the other hand is expected to be a swing state, believe it or not. I simply dread that as we will be inundated by hate ads between those two for months. The money for advertising will be flowing…
 
I_trust said:
One can not morally vote for, or advocate for an evil.

Voting for Trump is not voting for the lesser of two evils.
It is voting to limit evil, which is morally acceptable…

(Hillary is sure to appoint pro-abortion judges to the SC and federal judge-ships, Trump has vowed to appoint conservative judges).

I will hold my nose and vote for Trump because he is the only candidate who has a reasonable chance of getting elected… who might limit the slaughter of unborn children.
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I know, they said the same thing about Regan, but one fear I have if Trump is elected…
 
esieffe said:
I know, they said the same thing about Regan, but one fear I have if Trump is elected…
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Fair Enough, it seems abit dangerous to hand him the keys to our nuclear arsenal, and with Putin being aggressive now that is a reasonable fear.
 
AlphaFoxtrotNW said:
Fair Enough, it seems abit dangerous to hand him the keys to our nuclear arsenal, and with Putin being aggressive now that is a reasonable fear.
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One might take at least some comfort in the fact that the ones who usually do crazy things are the ideologues, not practical people.

Hillary Clinton got us into a war with Libya. Even Obama admits it was a mistake. Now, was that ideology run amok or was in the prospect of oil money-for-speeches if Sidney Blumenthal’s client took over? I don’t know.

But we know for sure that Trump has never started a war, and didn’t even like the one before Hillary’s war on Libya and her one on Syria.
 
JW55 said:
I myself was never a Rubio supporter for a variety of reasons. Everyone has a right to choose who they want, but I am just curious, what about him makes you feel he was a perfect candidate?/QUOTE

I always suspected that Cruz talked Rubio into attacking Trump, as they shook hands behind Trump and then proceeded to attack, but it seemed like Cruz really didn’t take much of a part and Rubio was the one who took the brunt of losing in the end, which might have been Cruz’s intent. I don’t trust any of these politicians and they will do whatever it takes to win.

God Bless

Bernadette
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Maximilan_Kolbe said:
Funny how depending on the context, we are told Pope Francis is not a socialist (when he is being defended from criticism), or that he is (when the person wants support for their beliefs).

Either way, it is unlikely he is a socialist, since he is Catholic. From the catechism:

2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with “communism” or “socialism.” She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of “capitalism,” individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207 Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208 Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.
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Ok, then he’s just a strong advocate for the poor against hoarding excessive wealth or misuse thereof. 😉

Which is what I am.
 
John_Savage said:
By the way, to me Rubio was a near perfect candidate.
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Key word there is “near.” I think he was done when he couldn’t hit Christie back in the New Hampshire debate - and this after he had only placed 3rd in Iowa anyway. His campaign was acting like it was a victory. Then Christie basically knocks him out in the debate and Rubio had to achieve a huge “comeback” in the SC debate/primary, just to place second to Trump. I remember a sinking sensation after Nevada, when he didn’t beat Trump there; that was telling. Then Super Tuesday/Florida…He was a media darling, the perfect candidate on paper, but he didn’t catch on with the voters, ever really. He may have another shot later on - he is pretty young, but I think he is getting out of politics. I would vote for him.
 
esieffe said:
I know, they said the same thing about Regan, but one fear I have if Trump is elected…
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Trump has children and grandchildren. Would he do anything to jeopardize their safety or future? He is still a father and grandfather as well as a successful businessman and tv celebrity and now has proven to be successful in the political world. He is grounded on wanting to make America great again and I am willing to vote for him over Hillary and putting my trust that Trump will do his best to undo the mess we find ourselves in.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Trump has children and grandchildren…
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Obama has children and has said he wouldn’t burden his children with grandchildren by having his daughters abort them.

Saying Trump has children and grandchildren, doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
 
andrewstx said:
You have company, I think Trump is likely a RINO.
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To me, he’s more of a RBORIN; a Republican, but only recently in name. Most of his positions are Republican, at least one of the various concatenations of what are thought to be Republican positions.
 
lax16 said:
Why “proud”?
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Because she’s clearly the best choice and because I am proud of her and the things she has accomplished in her many years of service to our country. I understand that not everyone feels this way about her, but I believe most of my fellow citizens will vote for her.
 
esieffe said:
Georgia on the other hand is expected to be a swing state, believe it or not. I simply dread that as we will be inundated by hate ads between those two for months. The money for advertising will be flowing…
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I, a Georgian, am fascinated that we might turn blue! But I hear you about the vitriol…yuck!
 
Little_Sheep said:
Because she’s clearly the best choice and because I am proud of her and the things she has accomplished in her many years of service to our country. I understand that not everyone feels this way about her, but I believe most of my fellow citizens will vote for her.
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What has she accomplished, exactly?
 
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