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estesbob
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#13 & #19
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lynnvinc
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Voters have to go on what they know and understand, depending on their education and knowledge, not what the candidates do not know or do not want to know.
I’m assuming (perhaps wrongly) that no one wants to kill people willy nilly thru environmental harms. However, politicians (such as Cruz especially) take vast amounts of money from corps that greatly harm the environment to the effect of killing people, and those politicians and their ilk seem not to want to know about environmental issues…no matter how many times citizens write to them about these issues. Trump is just picking up their constituents, tho it does seem he is also truly anti-environmental himself, refusing to acknowledge any environmental problems, including climate change and the drought it California. It is just not wise to vote for such an ill-informed person…one whom it seems does not want to know the truth.
A politician’s lack of knowledge of problems does not mean those problems do not exist, and we voters have to vote for whom we consider the best pro-life candidates based on our knowledge, not theirs. To me from my knowledge gathered over 3 decades climate change (and other env problems and knock-on effects) is the mother of all pro-life issues…unless one’s strategy for ending abortion is just kill everyone. It would be good for people to read Pope Francis’s Laudato Si, which does a very marvelous and accurate job of explaining the serious, life-threatening environmental problems and their knock-on effect: w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html
Clinton, tho she has also taken money from anti-env corps and has done bad things, like promoting fracking in other countries, at least acknowledges the problems and seems amenable to addressing them…but will need to have constant pressure put on her (yeah for the Bernie campaign!!).
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Crossbones
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Well, some people just can’t accept the idea that waterboarding is torture and going after families of terrorists is targeting noncombatants and calling out a judge because he ‘happens to be, we believe, Mexican’ is racism.
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Darryl1958
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Pro-choice is part of the DNA of the Democratic party. Being a Democrats means opting for the continuation of abortion mills, regardless of one’s own particular personal opinions on the subject.
There are varying degrees of opinions on the environment with the Republican party because there are different opinions on the best way to enhance the economy and preserve the environment, as well there ought to be on topics that are so inherently complicated.
There is no official Republican opinion, and many different competing interests at play. It is not the groupthink that is at play on the left, where the mantra is “The science has been settled”.
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Corki
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Sort of like using the euphemistic term “reproductive health” or “women’s health care” to attempt to disguise the fact that they are funding the murder of children and the removal of choice.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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Apparently you don’t understand that if you moved gitmo to ground zero and had an ecumenical prayers service at a mosque terrorists would cease to exist.Sort of like using the euphemistic term “reproductive health” or “women’s health care” to attempt to disguise the fact that they are funding the murder of children and the removal of choice.
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Giggly_Giraffe
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The sky is falling!
Divine Mercy
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Divine Mercy
Eternal Father, I offer you the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your Dearly Beloved Son, Our Lord, Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world.
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
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Giggly_Giraffe
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Things I trust more than Trump and Hilary:
- Flint Michigan tap water
- Investing with Bernie Madoff
- Cocktails with Bill Cosby
- An elevator ride with Ray Rice
- Casey Anthony’s day care.
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Sy_Noe
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#3… You don’t want the faithful to follow their own bishop?
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estesbob
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Probl m is they can never produce these alleged letters
Mary_Gail_36
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If I vote for Hillary, she supports abortion then I would be supporting abortion.
If I vote for Trump who supports torture (and I’m not wanting to tell the Lord that I justify water boarding as light torture). I’d be supporting his agenda. He also hasn’t convinced me in being pro life. Not at all.
My conscious won’t let me vote for either. I am not understanding how Trump will be the savior of the unborn.
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estesbob
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Nobody said Trump was the savior of the unborn. However he suggested Supreme Court nominees and stated desire to defund Planned Parenthood are two examples of how he would limit this evil. Trump also stated he would follow the law concerning torture . I would not want to tell the Lord and tell him that I allowed a viruntely pro abortion person to become president because I was afraid a few terrorists might get water boarded.
The truth is people questioningTrumps pro-life bona fides are usually those who claim to be be pro-life but are voting for Hillary or sitting the election out . Hillary Clinton, Planned Parenthood, Emily’s list et al are are running ads attacking Donald Trump as wanting to turn the clock back and restrict a woman’s right to an abortion . They evidently think he is really “pro-life”.
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Sy_Noe
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Your #3… “My deacon/priest/bishop/cardinal told me or wrote me a letter telling me it was okay to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.”
Unless they voice recorded their superior at the time they were told it was okay, that may be one you may have to remove from your list.
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Darryl1958
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It would be nice if they provided names of these bishops who encourage them to vote for rabidly pro-abortion politicians.
Bishops are public figures.
Just providing a name would be adequate.
Bishops are public figures.
Just providing a name would be adequate.
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Good_Tidings
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Gee, what could possibly go wrong with that?
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Good_Tidings
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Did he say he would defund PP before or after he sent them a check. Before or after he said they good work. Did he say he didn’t believe in torture before or after the generals and CIA said they wouldn’t do that anymore? I think the word that describes him is ‘opportunist’. He’ll say whatever he has to say to win. Most people can see through this.
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Darryl1958
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Nothing.
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Crossbones
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The bishops have provided us with Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship that provides Catholics. A careful reading will help the Catholic understand the issues that they should base their vote on. I recommend all Catholics read this document carefully and take into consideration the comments of various bishops in determining their vote instead of relying on the personal interpretation of Church teachings that various posters will provide.
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Darryl1958
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Crossbones
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Then I suggest American Catholics avail themselves of the opportunity to use this Guide in determining how to vote in the upcoming election instead of relying on the personal interpretations of Church teaching that others may present on this site.
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