Catholic.com presidential poll

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Arizona_Mike said:
And I’ll believe that pro-abortion people believe rape is a moral reason to end the life of the offspring of such an act, when they start advocating for women to have the right to kill any man they accuse of rape, without a trial or legal process.
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I’m so confused by this comment, I don’t know how to reply! :confused:
 
TMC said:
Still confused. Catholicism is not naturally “right” or “left”. But this forum is undoubtedly pretty far “right.”
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Agreed. The Catholic vote helped give us two terms of Obama, of course. I doubt many of this forum’s regulars voted twice for him.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Or at least when they advocate for at least some kind of punishment for being an accomplice or an accessory to what they call “murder”. I think Trump actually did on MSNBC in his interview with Chris Matthews just briefly until he left the set and someone told him not to do that.
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Fascinating that the man who now leads the Republican Party exposed the nonsense chatter of the pro-life movement. I actually appreciate Trump’s logic on the issue. But then all his whiffle waffle in the aftermath showed us that he’s not meaningfully thought about abortion at all.

Maybe Republican leadership can reign him in on the issue and get him to tow the nonsensical party line (that most Republicans wish the Party would abandon). Or maybe he’ll just treat it as a non-issue like the rest of the Republican Presidents have done.

Only time will tell.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Neither Little Sheep nor I mocked Catholic teaching. Catholic teaching calls abortion murder because yes, indeed it is what the faith believes and teaches. That’s merely stating what the Catholic faith believes and teaches.
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Indeed. I myself am talking about the silly, nonsensical, non-supported position that Republicans take on the issue. The Catholic Church can have whatever position they like. Personally, I wish the Catholic Church luck in finding a political party that agrees with the Church. Clearly, that is not the national Republican Party.
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
I sometimes wonder what would have happened had the same-sex marriage ruling been handed down with LDS Romney as our President. I’m thinking he would have been asked about that ruling opening the door for plural marriages and what his response would have been.
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Romney would have fought the same-sex marriage ruling. He would have ordered the parts of the government he has control over not to enforce it.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
Why wasn’t the prolife cause more important during the primary process?..
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Because, like same sex marriage, most Republican politicians want the abortion issue to go away. That has been painfully obvious for years on a national platform. They know they cannot win by talking about overturning Roe v. Wade or Obergefell…and they’re right. The Party can only lose on those issues because most Americans disagree with the stance the Party has chosen, for political reasons, to take.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Because, like same sex marriage, most Republican politicians want the abortion issue to go away. That has been painfully obvious for years on a national platform. They know they cannot win by talking about overturning Roe v. Wade or Obergefell…and they’re right. The Party can only lose on those issues because most Americans disagree with the stance the Party has chosen, for political reasons, to take.
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What!? 10 years ago gay marriage was opposed by a vast majority. It still may be. Yet the court ruled. Mandating Catholic employers provide abc universally to employees would have been considered something communist Russia would have done, yet the court ruled. The next president could appoint up to three Supreme Court justices, affecting our laws for decades to come. Anyone who think r v w cannot be overturned is only thinking short term.
 
The results of this poll thus far are quite telling of the lack of proper catechesis of Catholics.

The votes of almost 52% would either be directly or indirectly for Hillary Clinton. Perhaps many are just trolls.
 
I will vote for Austin Petersen if he is the Libertarian Party nominee. He is a good pro-life libertarian like myself.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
What!? 10 years ago gay marriage was opposed by a vast majority. It still may be. Yet the court ruled. Mandating Catholic employers provide abc universally to employees would have been considered something communist Russia would have done, yet the court ruled. The next president could appoint up to three Supreme Court justices, affecting our laws for decades to come. Anyone who think r v w cannot be overturned is only thinking short term.
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It is rather shameless that people will somehow make it seem as if this is all somehow on the shoulders of Repulicans, for not caring enough about the issues, or being out of step.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Indeed. I myself am talking about the silly, nonsensical, non-supported position that Republicans take on the issue. The Catholic Church can have whatever position they like. Personally, I wish the Catholic Church luck in finding a political party that agrees with the Church. Clearly, that is not the national Republican Party.
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There is no reason the Church or any individual Catholic needs to “find” a political party. We don’t elect parties. We elect candidates. Hopefully, we elect pro-life candidates. Those just happen to be (at the moment) a lot easier to find in the Republican party.
 
If one adds all the non-Trump numbers in this particular poll together, they defeat the yea-Trump number. Sweet! 👍
 
Corki said:
There is no reason the Church or any individual Catholic needs to “find” a political party. We don’t elect parties. We elect candidates. Hopefully, we elect pro-life candidates. Those just happen to be (at the moment) a lot easier to find in the Republican party.
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Fair enough, Corki. But the candidates that pro-lifers keep electing nationally do not seem to actually believe in the pro-life agenda. When “pro-life” Reagan and then Bush occupied the Presidency and had majority 'pro-life" supporters in Congress, what was done to overturn Roe v. Wade? Nothing, that’s what. As best I can see, Republicans are desperate for the issue to go away. My personal opinion is that Republicans pander on this issue. They have no intention to or stomach for overturning Roe v. Wade.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Fair enough, Corki. But the candidates that pro-lifers keep electing nationally do not seem to actually believe in the pro-life agenda. When “pro-life” Reagan and then Bush occupied the Presidency and had majority 'pro-life" supporters in Congress, what was done to overturn Roe v. Wade? Nothing, that’s what. As best I can see, Republicans are desperate for the issue to go away. My personal opinion is that Republicans pander on this issue. They have no intention to or stomach for overturning Roe v. Wade.
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There is more to being pro-life than just overturning Roe v. Wade. In the terms of both Regan and Bush, there was progress in the right direction. The partial birth abortion ban and the Born-Alive Infants Protection act, for example, were both passed and signed under a Bush presidency. If those types of bills had come before Obama or (theoretically) Hillary, they would have been vetoed.

Not to mention that in order to overturn Roe v. Wade, a case has to make it to and be accepted by the USSC which was unlikely to even take such a case until the appointment of John Roberts. Even then, it was 4-4-1. And by then we were back to a Democratic Senate.

It’s not a battle that can be won in a single election but there has been progress and it is important not to lose ground. A Clinton presidency and the accompanying USSC appointments would set us back decades.
 
Corki said:
And if you add up the non-Clinton numbers, they nealry triple the yea-Clinton number. Sweeter! 😉
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But it is CAF. I don’t think there would be many who have been here long enough who would expect Hillary Clinton or most any Democratic candidate for President to win a CAF poll. I’ve gone back to search 4 yrs ago and Romney crushed Obama here. So if the Republican nominee is having a hard time breaking even 50% here, I’m not sure that bodes well for Trump.
 
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