Catholic.com presidential poll

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A vote for anyone but Trump is a vote for the enemies of the Church at this point. Sad to say but it is undeniably true.

I don’t think Trump has much integrity or principles but what matters in this election is getting a president in office who will stop or at least mitigate the onslaught against people of faith, specifically the Church in this country.

A Trump administration will appoint a justice to the Supreme Court who is both pro-life and favors religious liberty in the way Justice Scalia did. A Clinton administration guarantees a pro-abortion nominee who is likely hostile to religious liberty who will try to force Catholic schools, hospitals, businesses, etc to go against their consciences in doing things opposed to Church teaching. This issue is the one that President has the MOST impact on and the one that we can most reliably predict.

Look at all of the offenses the Secular Left has taken under Obama (transgender nonsense, gay marriage, forcing Catholic institutions and businesses to provide contraception under Obamacare, so on and so forth), we have a chance in this election to turn all of the momentum they have gathered against them and show the nation that no, the culture war is not over, and no the Left has not won because there is a silent majority in this country that is not on board with the Socially Left vision of America and we are prepared to assert ourselves at the ballot box.
 
Hillary is experiencing the same issues others have running against Trump. And thats aside from issues with Bernie who is hanging around till the last vote.

nytimes.com/2016/05/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html
It is clear, however, that Democrats are no longer mocking Mr. Trump. Many of them seem determined instead to understand his appeal.
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Maybe Hillary could ride down on her Harley and bond with Rolling Thunder like Donald. 🙂 Seems like a Holiday weekend thing to do with the BBQ?

breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/28/donald-trump-joins-rolling-thunder-in-dc-for-memorial-day-event/

Americans are flocking in unprecedented numbers to support Donald Trump. Democrats could be facing the largest wave of Republican turnout ever this November. And well the Democrat turnout is lower than usual. May change when Bernie wins Calif.
 
Sy_Noe said:
But it is CAF. I don’t think there would be many who have been here long enough who would expect Hillary Clinton or most any Democratic candidate for President to win a CAF poll. I’ve gone back to search 4 yrs ago and Romney crushed Obama here. So if the Republican nominee is having a hard time breaking even 50% here, I’m not sure that bodes well for Trump.
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As you are well aware, all that matters is how well the candidates are doing in the swing states. This is a ‘national’ poll in a sense.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Americans are flocking in unprecedented numbers to support Donald Trump. Democrats could be facing the largest wave of Republican turnout ever this November. And well the Democrat turnout is lower than usual. May change when Bernie wins Calif.
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While I do believe at this point in the election cycle that Trump has a better than 50/50 probability of winning the election this fall (mostly because his opponent is Clinton - not because of Trump), I do think the Republican base is changing, and not for the better. The social conservative base has not grown much over the years, and has probably eroded - not necessarily because they are no longer voting, but because people no longer aspire to conservative Christian principles as they once did.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Hillary is experiencing the same issues others have running against Trump. And thats aside from issues with Bernie who is hanging around till the last vote.
nytimes.com/2016/05/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html

Maybe Hillary could ride down on her Harley and bond with Rolling Thunder like Donald. 🙂 Seems like a Holiday weekend thing to do with the BBQ?
breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/28/donald-trump-joins-rolling-thunder-in-dc-for-memorial-day-event/

Americans are flocking in unprecedented numbers to support Donald Trump. Democrats could be facing the largest wave of Republican turnout ever this November. And well the Democrat turnout is lower than usual. May change when Bernie wins Calif.
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The contrast is stunning, Trump being supported at a very patriotic event vs Obama bending over and apologizing in Japan.
Stylteralmaldo said:
As you are well aware, all that matters is how well the candidates are doing in the swing states. This is a ‘national’ poll in a sense.
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Yes, it is like a national poll. If I recall, Trump fared poorly in earlier polls on this site, so this one reflects the shift in support that has secured him the nomination.
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
I do think the Republican base is changing, and not for the better. The social conservative base has not grown much over the years, and has probably eroded - not necessarily because they are no longer voting, but because people no longer aspire to conservative Christian principles as they once did.
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I have a slightly different view as a former liberal democrat, it takes time to think with the mind of the Church. And what for sure is true in these periods of political drama, we need to slow down, respect each other and listen. In times, apparently by this method we have strange partnerships also. Pretty clear with Rolling Thunder and the guys. They “never” thought they would be here defending Pro-Life a few years ago. Its just the logical thing to do.

I don’t think a conservative view can change, its been around forever and much of the American progress was built on the ability to objectively debate ideals for the good of all of us.

christianpost.com/news/pro-life-bikers-to-protest-in-front-of-abortion-clinics-on-harley-davidsons-113202/

Who would have guessed that we would find ourselves again here in agreement with bikers. 👍 I find it rather amusing and love the way the Lords works. Course its also true social media is connecting us and imho progress is assured, freedom and liberty we can rest assure are not novel ideals.
 
sallybutler said:
But is he a friend of the Church?
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There it is, something to think about, is Hillary? Nooooo!!! Its easy as a Democrat or Republican to suggest never Donald or Hillary but it seems to be rather narrow minded in both cases and more of an appeal to the immediate spectacular drama in some form of dire plead… I don’t know, I haven’t gave it a great deal of thought but it seems rather counterproductive and divisive. Who started this pettiness the democrats? :p:
 
Sy_Noe said:
But it is CAF. I don’t think there would be many who have been here long enough who would expect Hillary Clinton or most any Democratic candidate for President to win a CAF poll. I’ve gone back to search 4 yrs ago and Romney crushed Obama here. So if the Republican nominee is having a hard time breaking even 50% here, I’m not sure that bodes well for Trump.
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you hope.😉
 
GaryTaylor said:
There it is, something to think about, is Hillary? Nooooo!!! Its easy as a Democrat or Republican to suggest never Donald or Hillary but it seems to be rather narrow minded in both cases and more of an appeal to the immediate spectacular drama in some form of dire plead… I don’t know, I haven’t gave it a great deal of thought but it seems rather counterproductive and divisive. Who started this pettiness the democrats? :p:
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It’ ridiculous. Who said either were the friend of the Catholic Church. But I do know that the Bible is Trump’s favorite book. I doubt if Hillary could say that.
 
Sy_Noe said:
This says Gary Johnson is expected to be the nominee tomorrow. But not sure about his VP. Johnson was on CNN today though saying Libertarians are for small govt like the Republicans but are pro choice and pro SSM.

huffingtonpost.com/entry/libertarian-party-william-weld_us_574a1612e4b055bb11726027
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That is too bad. I will not vote for Gary Johnson. Being pro-life is consistent with libertarian values because it protects the right to life.
sallybutler said:
But is he a friend of the Church?
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Trump is a friend of Christianity. He will defend it from the New World Order.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
It’ ridiculous. Who said either were the friend of the Catholic Church. But I do know that the Bible is Trump’s favorite book. I doubt if Hillary could say that.
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We are here to help them form their conscience, a difficult task when in truth your priority is all about yourself. I know, and even if your the most humble perosn in the world. or most radical.

There is nothing more debatable than the ideal of “us” I know I contested its proposal from the start as a kid and the bottom line is I was responsible for the weakest. Its easy to say they are not “us”. It really sucked accepting they were indeed “us”, but it was the truth. I can’t get too distracted on who doesn’t have a formed conscience in the process of saving the weakest. :We need to understand the dynamics of that concept. shrug:😊
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
As you are well aware, all that matters is how well the candidates are doing in the swing states. This is a ‘national’ poll in a sense.
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Yes and I’d rather be Hillary Clinton at this pt.

As of 4 days ago, The Cook Report has her at over 300 electoral votes.

270towin.com/maps/the-cook-political-report

An earlier map by U of VA Center for Politics, Larry Sabato had her with even more.

270towin.com/maps/crystal-ball-2016-electoral-college-ratings

Even a consensus map of 5 pundits shows she only needs 17 electoral votes from tossups.

270towin.com/news/2016/05/29/consensus-pundit-electoral-map-has-clinton-ahead-trump_306.html#.V0scjxMrLnA

And looking at it yet another way, even if Trump were to flip, and I don’t necessarily think he will do all of this, OH, PA, CO, NH, IA, he still is a loser.

270towin.com/maps/aDx92

Is there a path for Trump to move from his Manhattan Penthouse to the WH? Of course. But a narrow one where nearly everything must fall almost perfectly into place for him with little room for error or gaffes along the way. Possible? Yes. How probable is another question entirely.
 
anon67074017 said:
That is too bad. I will not vote for Gary Johnson. Being pro-life is consistent with libertarian values because it protects the right to life.
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One must distinguish between libertarian values and the Libertarian Party’s values. The Libertarian Party is pro-abortion.
anon67074017 said:
Trump is a friend of Christianity. He will defend it from the New World Order.
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It is probably more accurate to say that Clinton is not a friend of Christianity. I have my doubts about how friendly Mr. Trump is to Christianity. Yet he has shown an olive branch to Christians which is more than what you can say about Mrs. Clinton.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Yes and I’d rather be Hillary Clinton at this pt.

As of 4 days ago, The Cook Report has her at over 300 electoral votes.

270towin.com/maps/the-cook-political-report

An earlier map by U of VA Center for Politics, Larry Sabato had her with even more.

270towin.com/maps/crystal-ball-2016-electoral-college-ratings

Even a consensus map of 5 pundits shows she only needs 17 electoral votes from tossups.

270towin.com/news/2016/05/29/consensus-pundit-electoral-map-has-clinton-ahead-trump_306.html#.V0scjxMrLnA

…Is there a path for Trump to move from his Manhattan Penthouse to the WH? Of course. But a narrow one where nearly everything must fall almost perfectly into place for him with little room for error or gaffes along the way. Possible? Yes. How probable is another question entirely.
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I don’t about that. The main page has it as more of a toss up than you suggest:

270towin.com

I can’t speak for any state but my own (Wisconsin). I agree with the toss up status here especially the longer the Dem nomination drags on. The Madison area is strongly pro-Sanders and the Milwaukee area is strongly pro-Clinton (the two big Democrat strongholds in the state). A few weeks ago I had my doubts that Trump could win Wisconsin given how soundly Cruz beat him here. However, the Republican base appears to be coming together here.
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
One must distinguish between libertarian values and the Libertarian Party’s values. The Libertarian Party is pro-abortion.

It is probably more accurate to say that Clinton is not a friend of Christianity. I have my doubts about how friendly Mr. Trump is to Christianity. Yet he has shown an olive branch to Christians which is more than what you can say about Mrs. Clinton.
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Mrs Clinton is a lifelong practicing United Methodist . A source please pointing to where your church now says the UMC is not Christian. Or has it stopped accepting baptisms performed in the UMC?
 
Crossbones said:
I would disagree with this. It seems to me that there are those who do not believe it is possible for Catholics with well-formed consciences to draw another conclusion from Church teaching than one that centers entirely around abortion. I guess I would encourage everyone, even those with strongly held convictions, to re-read the relevant Church documents and ask themselves what they are actually saying and how to apply that to voting in this election.
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Many people do realize. Abortion is a grave injustice. Without the right to life, all other rights do not matter.

usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/

Ed
 
Sy_Noe said:
Mrs Clinton is a lifelong practicing United Methodist . A source please pointing to where your church now says the UMC is not Christian. Or has it stopped accepting baptisms performed in the UMC?
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You misunderstood my post. I didn’t mean to imply that Mrs. Clinton doesn’t practice a form of Christianity.
 
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