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Crossbones
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I don’t think that this document teaches the statement immediately before it (Without the right to life, all other rights do not matter). Can you point me to where it says that?
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Little_Sheep
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The official platform of the Libertarian Party is pro-choice - here is the specific language:
“Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”
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Little_Sheep
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One of the things that has always attracted me to Hillary Clinton are her strong Christian values and her very obvious faith. In that regard, I consider her to be a role model.
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Stylteralmaldo
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As opposed to Hillary Clinton who’s position is to expand public access to abortion?
This is your champion of Christian morality correct?
**“In an election that is shaping up to focus heavily on income inequality in an America with more people struggling than ever before, it’s important that we see candidates understand and make the case the reproductive rights and abortion access are inextricably tied to economic freedom.”
"We are a country where the lives of the most marginalized communities are constantly under attack and where our human right to self determine what is best for our bodies, families and lives is constantly blocked or denied. This is why we have to bring attention to Hyde which overwhelmingly impact the lives of poor women and women of color in this country.”
~ Hillary Clinton**
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CHRISTINE77
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He said it. Look it up.I doubt that Trump could say that.I know he said it, I have a hard time believing it.
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CHRISTINE77
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Ha ha ha
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Little_Sheep
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I’m not sure I understand your post.As opposed to Hillary Clinton who’s position is to expand public access to abortion?
This is your champion of Christian morality correct?
**“In an election that is shaping up to focus heavily on income inequality in an America with more people struggling than ever before, it’s important that we see candidates understand and make the case the reproductive rights and abortion access are inextricably tied to economic freedom.”
"We are a country where the lives of the most marginalized communities are constantly under attack and where our human right to self determine what is best for our bodies, families and lives is constantly blocked or denied. This is why we have to bring attention to Hyde which overwhelmingly impact the lives of poor women and women of color in this country.”
~ Hillary Clinton**
My post wasn’t talking about the Democrat platform on abortion (though I am happy to talk about it). I was responding to a post regarding a Libertarian candidate. The official Libertarian and official Democrat platform regarding abortion upholds the wisdom and justice of Roe v. Wade. So do I. So do most people in this country.
Abortion is always serious matter according to my particular faith and according to me. I certainly believe that being pro-choice is in line with Christian morality. I understand that this is not what the Catholic Church teaches.
Abortion numbers are shrinking. That is a good thing and something I believe all Christians can continue to work towards, regardless of where they stand on the law of the land as regards abortion.
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Stylteralmaldo
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Thank you for clarifying your position for me.
You are incorrect that Jesus would be pro-choice. But I understand that we will likely disagree on that point.
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Little_Sheep
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Yes, we will have to step into the mystery about that, I suppose, as neither of us has any idea what Jesus’s position might be.
That said, Christians of good faith can disagree and still walk together towards the same goal - building a world where all our children are desired, loved and raised in the fullness of Christ.
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Stylteralmaldo
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What’s the point of being a believer in Jesus Christ if we can’t be certain what his moral position on something like abortion might be?
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Sy_Noe
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Amen Little Sheep. :clapping: :clapping:
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Sy_Noe
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I understand your faith in the CC. But it is only by such faith that you can think and believe you know that Little Sheep is incorrect. Other Christian communities of faith of course do disagree with the CC on abortion rights.
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Sy_Noe
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It takes faith to believe or to think we know. The points though are many. Just to mention a few would be to believe in His sacrifice for us on the cross. And to believe in, follow, and serve Him by heeding His clear Gospel message to love our neighbor, serve the poor, heal the sick, feed the hungry, clothe the naked. To work for peace and so many other points as we seek Him walking in faith not by sight.
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Cactus
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I haven’t been able to find anyone who supports Hilary. I thought that her unending scandals had done her in. Apparently I was wrong because right here on this Catholic forum I have found many. I know that Trump is not a nice guy. The people evidently feel that times like these require a leader outside of the political mainstream. If nice was the criterion we could have chosen Huckaby. I am glad to see that Mrs. Clinton has some support though, not because I want her to win, but it at least demonstrates that there is something other than inevitability propping her up.
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Stylteralmaldo
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It is difficult for me to fathom that Jesus would be pro-abortion, that Jesus would consider that as a part of his plan for peace would include giving a mother the right to have her child ripped from her womb directly causing that child’s death. That is counter to Jesus’ moral character. But like you said, that does take faith to comprehend. Hillary Clinton wants to expand public funding of abortion. That isn’t a Christian position - it’s an anti-Christian position.
I also don’t pretend that Donald Trump is a friend of Christianity. His comments inciting people and bringing out some of their worst passions is disturbing. His comments about Mexicans and what he would do to the families of terrorists deeply concern me and I can say without a doubt (again because of my faith) that Jesus would not say such things.
It is a difficult election cycle for any Christian because there isn’t a major candidate who shares much of any kind of Christian mindset. I’m merely leaning towards the one who hasn’t proven to enforce anti-Christian intiatives.
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Sy_Noe
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Yes to some degree it depends on where you live and the people you spend time with. I actually think that can be a problem for both sides. When Republicans and Trump supporters associate mainly with others of like-mind, they end up thinking he is the greatest thing to come along since white bread and that all of America is embracing him with open arms and that Hillary Clinton is doomed. And the reverse can be true for her supporters. It appears so far in this century America has been more divided politically and is why I think the popular vote could end up closer than the Electoral College could. The latter of course in the end is all that matters.
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mary_bobo
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Hard to believe that so many can apparently ignore the swirls of dishonesty around her. Either they are “only a Democrat” voter or they are not aware of what is going on. I think they are the same ones who gave us Obama for two terms.
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Arizona_Mike
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Or with what the earliest documents of the Church, which were written by those who had personal contact with the teachings of Christ, taught.
The Didache, written in the first century as a catechesis manual for the early Church, states “do not murder a child by abortion or kill a newborn infant.”
It is not possible to sanction abortion and to be a Christian.
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estesbob
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Up until recent time every single Christian denomination opposed abortion and done so since their founding. The only thing that changed was the culture and sadly many Christian denominations caved to the mores of the culture-and continue to do so today
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Crossbones
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I agree that Clinton is a flawed candidate, but the Republicans put up Trump which will be a similar turn off for many voters.
I think that, if the Republicans had picked a good candidate, they could be in good shape to win the White House, but I’m unsure who out of the 17 that ran that it might have been.
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